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Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by mishac »

kauffj wrote: post #240
darkpuma wrote: post #26

So we have a browser with nearly 70% market share, made by an advertising company that's arguably the most powerful business on the internet, interfering with ad blocking. And of course there is no regulatory body that is able or willing to step in. Great.

Indeed it is! We have a wonderful mechanism that handles this situation: a free market. We've already seen far greater market share from a browser. That browser lost it's market share when it stopped serving consumers. It lost it so thoroughly that decades and billions later it still can't recoup it. Why would you want the government to hurt Firefox and the other competitors who would be happy to compete with Google…

You appear to be forgetting that a huge part of the story was government action to limit the power of the company that made that browser, both in the US and especially in the EU.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by stuartd »

darkpuma wrote: post #100
devoply wrote: post #64

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It fast. That most important thing.

Firefox with uMatrix will smoke Chrome without it, in nearly any real world use-case.

This is an excellent point. There is absolutely no way a browser which loads and executes ad-loading and tracking script can be possibly be faster than one that doesn't.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by treypitt »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #246
darkpuma wrote: post #26

So we have a browser with nearly 70% market share, made by an advertising company that's arguably the most powerful business on the internet, interfering with ad blocking. And of course there is no regulatory body that is able or willing to step in. Great.

Why should Google, an ad company, not interfere with an ad blocker? No one has to use Chrome and Google doesn't have to allow ad blockers.

ruthless pursuit of profit risks alienation of its customers? good point though. I'd be shocked if >10% of Chrome users use uBlock Origin, in which case it's probably worth it (for their shareholders). Remember that advertisers are Google's customers, not us

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by dominotw »

darkpuma wrote: post #253
dominotw wrote: post #229

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> harmful to the public. How do you measure this? Does the public include content creators who rely on ads for their livelihood?

Any abuse of a monopoly is harmful to the public. Correct me if I'm misrepresenting your position, but I vaguely recall a discussion some time ago in which you compared adblocking to theft. If I'm remembering that correctly, you and I have no common ground upon which to have a civil discussion.

> Any abuse of a monopoly is harmful to the public.

So you disagree with google deplatforming alex jones?

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by Arelius »

antoineMoPa wrote: post #132
swampthinker wrote: post #105

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Most of my logins have been syncd via Chrome. Makes logging into a new computer a breeze, or if I need to borrow someone else's stuff really quick.

Firefox also has password/history/bookmarks sync between devices.

auto-fill of CC/billing information is the feature I wish FF had.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by dymk »

50656E6973 wrote: post #265
kauffj wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed it is! We have a wonderful mechanism that handles this situation: a free market. We've already seen far greater market share from a browser. That browser lost it's market share when it stopped serving consumers. It lost it so thoroughly that decades and billions later it still can't recoup it. Why would you want the government to hurt Firefox and the other competitors who would be happy to compete with Google…

Its not a free market

Browser choice is most certainly a free market. Microsoft, Mozilla, and Apple all develop their own, and their browsers are not beholden to the same pressures as Google (i.e. to not block ads).

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by dsego »

Memosyne wrote: post #96
sixothree wrote: post #33

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I really just don't understand the obsession with Chrome, especially in hacker communities. Sorry Google, I feel "icky & gross" when I use you.

I use Chromium on linux because Firefox doesn't have touch-screen support and smooth-scrolling feels a little rough. I wont hesitate to switch over if these changes are made though.

Add 'export MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1' to ~/.xsessionrc and disable “Use smooth scrolling” to get the real smooth scrolling.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by sridca »

braythwayt wrote: post #257
sridca wrote: post #159

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I'm invested in the Google ecosystem, and have recently got myself a Pixel Slate that I carry everywhere as my primary computing/ media device (no more separate laptop and tablet). It would now be silly of me to use Firefox in place of Chrome. Moreover I have got nothing to hide, so all these privacy-fears don't concern me; in fact I often feel like they are being overblown.

> I've got nothing to hide. I'm sure you believe that's true, but I suggest that your belief is based on a certain confidence that the people pouring through your data are fundamentally acting in good, or at worse neutral faith. However, if this data ever gets into the hands of someone acting in bad faith, even the most innocent behaviour can be weaponized against you. Let's say, for example, that you are wrongly sus…

That's not an unreasonable point, but with that alarmist logic why are you then not living off the grid?

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by driverdan »

swampthinker wrote: post #105
sixothree wrote: post #33

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I really just don't understand the obsession with Chrome, especially in hacker communities. Sorry Google, I feel "icky & gross" when I use you.

Most of my logins have been syncd via Chrome. Makes logging into a new computer a breeze, or if I need to borrow someone else's stuff really quick.

Use an extension instead. It's more portable, you have control over it, and don't have to feed Google more data.
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