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Alex Stamos: Asking tech companies to police hate speech is “a dangerous path”

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Re: Alex Stamos: Asking tech companies to police hate speech is “a dangerous path”

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Sounds like you've never heard actual hate speech. Consider that a privilege.

Sounds like you have a lot of internalized self-hate. You certainly have a lot of guts saying this on an account attached to your name and resume.

We've banned this account for posting unsubstantive comments and repeatedly breaking the guidelines. Would you please stop creating accounts to do that with?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Alex Stamos: Asking tech companies to police hate speech is “a dangerous path”

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> I firmly believe that if all the energy being poured into protecting hate were instead put into eradicating it, the world could only become a better place HOW? How do you eradicate hate speech? What is hate speech? Anything that makes you feel bad? So do you single-handedly decide what speech is ok or not? You're lambasting people's protection for free speech as "protecting hate speech" (which is a false dichotomy)…

Asking "who defines hate speech?" is a cop-out. No one ever asks "who defines privacy?" in discussions about that. Hate speech is just as obvious to anyone with a modicum of empathy. It's plenty easy for people in general (except HN, where no one seems to have any notion of what that could possibly be without a grand arbiter to define it down to the spin of each quark) to recognize hate speech. Platforms already have…

You're right, you haven't convinced me. Every opportunity everyone has given you to define hate speech, you asy "I don't need to!! It's obvious what hate speech is!!" That's not an acceptable definition. Apparently it's anything you highly disagree with. From talking with you, I'm convinced you would classify a discussion on freedom of speech as hate speech. That scares me. I get the sense you want complete control of all speech just so hate speech dies. In other words, a casual stroll toward tyranny.

I don't think you're examining the problem (and censorship IS a problem) critically. Forgive me, but you are the one copping out. And actually, people do ask "what is privacy." It is being redefined all the time and there are people actively fighting for their definition of it. They at least have a definition.

Re: Alex Stamos: Asking tech companies to police hate speech is “a dangerous path”

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Well, these unnamed "tech companies" are responsible for the proliferation of absurd lies that will elect a far right authoritarian candidate in my country, Brazil. The spread of this lies happens with the support of a well financed organization. I always thought that the Internet would be a democratic platform that would improve the debate in society. Maybe we would go back to a democracy without intermediaries. I w…

>Well, these unnamed "tech companies" are responsible for the proliferation of absurd lies that will elect a far right authoritarian candidate in my country, Brazil. There was no reason why the opposition to that candidate couldn't have put up their own absurd lies, or, dare I say, disproved the far right candidate's lies, thereby achieving the same success via the same platform. The elections are all about effective…

No, anyone of a minimal of ethics and responsibility can't spread these kind of lies.

Then they spend all the time refuting absurd lies instead of explaining their proposals.

Re: Alex Stamos: Asking tech companies to police hate speech is “a dangerous path”

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post #83

Well, these unnamed "tech companies" are responsible for the proliferation of absurd lies that will elect a far right authoritarian candidate in my country, Brazil. The spread of this lies happens with the support of a well financed organization. I always thought that the Internet would be a democratic platform that would improve the debate in society. Maybe we would go back to a democracy without intermediaries. I w…

I just read an article today about a named tech company banning marketing accounts associated with said far-right candidate. But I don't think that will stop him from a landslide win. The knife was the opposition's best hope.

It was too late and hardly made a dent in their fake news network.

One of the blocked accounts were of the son of the candidate.

Re: Alex Stamos: Asking tech companies to police hate speech is “a dangerous path”

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post #83

Well, these unnamed "tech companies" are responsible for the proliferation of absurd lies that will elect a far right authoritarian candidate in my country, Brazil. The spread of this lies happens with the support of a well financed organization. I always thought that the Internet would be a democratic platform that would improve the debate in society. Maybe we would go back to a democracy without intermediaries. I w…

What should these tech companies have done to prevent this?

This NYT article https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/17/opinion/brazil-election-f... has some tips:

- limit the amount of persons in a group

- limit the amount of people you can forward a message

- Restrict broadcasts

Re: Alex Stamos: Asking tech companies to police hate speech is “a dangerous path”

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"hate speech" and "dehumanizing" are implicitly political terms. Will you will agree with me that one's politics are simply deeply cherished opinions and nothing more? It appears to me that we are excluding voices from public discourse because, in the opinion of a powerful group, they have been rude. One person's rude criticism can easily become another person's hate speech.

Unfortunately, politics directly affects the safety, health, and livelihood of everyone. People get sick die because of political decisions, and people gain great amounts of wealth because of political decisions. People maintain comfortable places in society or remain in fully employed poverty because of political decisions. There is very little in peoples' lives that aren't affected by politics. If you're in a posit…

Everything in the world could be framed in-terms of power struggles, yes. Class warfare could blanket all reality and ultimately tearing down perceived unjust structures and individuals might usher in the utopia. But you've got to be a simpleton sheep to think that way. You invite the dictator-with-solutions in with that line of thinking.

I am more tolerant and wise than you because I can separate political thought and speech from political action. You, apparently, cannot. I am being charitable by calling you a control freak who cannot handle having their deeply cherished opinions challenged.

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