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Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans

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Re: Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans

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Post by hndamien »

majewsky wrote: post #251
hndamien wrote: post #240

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Not sure I understand the downvotes with no comment...? Maybe a video is more convincing... https://youtu.be/JelhR2iPuw0?t=17s Or this from BMW.... https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/15/bmws-holoactive-touch-in-c... Or Ultrahaptics... https://www.ultrahaptics.com/

The downvotes are probably because your proposed solution is ridiculously overengineered. Knobs have worked well for centuries.

Tactile feedback from keyboards are also good, but that was traded off for the dynamic nature of a touchscreen. Regardless, I wasn't commenting on whether or not this is desirable, just that the tech exists, which it does.

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Post by illumin8 »

dang wrote: post #270

Personal attacks will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and don't do this again. We've had to warn you about this before. Your comment would have been fine with just the middle paragraph.

Sorry, I guess I can't edit the comment after it's been flagged or moderated, or I'd edit out all but the middle paragraph.

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Post by dang »

illumin8 wrote: post #272
dang wrote: post #270

Personal attacks will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and don't do this again. We've had to warn you about this before. Your comment would have been fine with just the middle paragraph.

Sorry, I guess I can't edit the comment after it's been flagged or moderated, or I'd edit out all but the middle paragraph.

I've edited it for you to do that (hope that's ok) and detached my comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18136721 so it will sink to the bottom.

Re: Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans

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Post by Latteland »

Fins wrote: post #266
Latteland wrote: post #232

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Yes, I think Toyota is bad. The S is maybe a little bit better than the 3, but they'll improve the 3. On the S the AC controls are always at the bottom of the screen, touch it at any time and they show up. The tesla isn't perfect, but it's so much more advanced than the competitors. Tesla needs competition so they can get better. Today's model S is the same as the first one I bought in 2012, except for a bit better b…

Good thing I don't plan to get a Toyota, then. And at one point they were known for good ergonomics. On the other hand, in my 2011 car (and it wasn't exactly anything new at the time either), adjusting AC does not require looking down at the screen, let alone hunting for a flat and featureless part of a touchscreen, that can move with the next software update. Tesla is a great idea . But IMHO the execution is nowhere…

You can also adjust the ac from the steering wheel too. on the S you can setup the button on right side of the steering wheel to control whatever you want, without using the screen (there's one on the left side of the steering wheel for volume). On the S there's a screen behind the wheel, you can see it while looking out the front window to the road in your vision. So you can make it cooler or warmer right there. I agree though that using buttons that you learn the location of by muscle memory and don't have to look at are a bit safer. Now I can do it automatically without having to look around; that would be much harder the first few times.

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Post by Fins »

Latteland wrote: post #274
Fins wrote: post #266

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Good thing I don't plan to get a Toyota, then. And at one point they were known for good ergonomics. On the other hand, in my 2011 car (and it wasn't exactly anything new at the time either), adjusting AC does not require looking down at the screen, let alone hunting for a flat and featureless part of a touchscreen, that can move with the next software update. Tesla is a great idea . But IMHO the execution is nowhere…

You can also adjust the ac from the steering wheel too. on the S you can setup the button on right side of the steering wheel to control whatever you want, without using the screen (there's one on the left side of the steering wheel for volume). On the S there's a screen behind the wheel, you can see it while looking out the front window to the road in your vision. So you can make it cooler or warmer right there. I a…

Yeah, that's better, but of course it means that you either can use that button on the steering wheel for AC, or you can use it for something else. And I am not sure if having reprogrammable buttons in a vehicle is a good idea.

If I am recalling it correctly, ergonomics started as something to pay attention to when airplanes suddenly started crashing -- apparently a shape of some control has been changed, and pilots, using muscle memory, would do a wrong thing.

Putting more reprogrammable buttons is better than nothing, I guess, but in the end it is trying to fix, with more technology, self-inflicted problems caused by using more advanced technology than was warranted in the first place.

And judging from the number of comments I see on HN about Teslas lacking physical volume control, discoverability of the interface leaves much to be desired.

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Post by SEJeff »

threeseed wrote: post #217
SEJeff wrote: post #196

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Anecdotally, this teardown report seems to refute your statement a bit: https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/19/tesla-model-3-stuns-ger...

> was harshly critical of the build quality of the Model 3, calling it nearly as bad as a ’90s era Kia. Also it's obviously much simpler and cleaner to build a car with just a touchscreen as its main interface. But the problem is its a nightmare for driving.

Have you ever driven one? I’ve got a Model 3 and find it a bit different but not too bad at all. I love that I can click the camera button and get a huge HD rear camera view. “Its a nightmare for driving” sounds an awful lot like you’ve never seriously driven one.

I was leery of the speedometer being in the center and not behind the steering wheel, but it isn’t all that different from diving a Mini, where the speedometer is a giant dial in the center console.

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Post by partiallypro »

bgorman wrote: post #82
partiallypro wrote: post #75

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Most people don't buy SUV's, they buy "crossovers" which pack the capacity of an SUV but get way way better gas mileage. As for Trucks, they have improved considerably in gas mileage as well. But the SUV is mostly false, SUVs have bitten the dust, crossovers like Rav4, Outback, etc have taken over. Even in luxury brands, I see tons of BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar crossovers. They look nice.

I'm pretty sure the Rav4 is considered a SUV. I don't think the Outback is a crossover. Subaru's main crossover seems to be the XV.

Toyota lists it as a crossover https://www.toyota.com/crossovers/

KBB lists the Outback, Crosstrek etc as crossovers https://www.kbb.com/subaru/crossovers/

When I think SUV, I think Tahoe, Sequoia, Escalade, Suburban, etc. Compact SUVs are SUVs in name only imo. You pretty much never see a traditional SUV on the road anymore.

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Post by illumin8 »

dang wrote: post #273
illumin8 wrote: post #272

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Sorry, I guess I can't edit the comment after it's been flagged or moderated, or I'd edit out all but the middle paragraph.

I've edited it for you to do that (hope that's ok) and detached my comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18136721 so it will sink to the bottom.

Thanks, and sorry for letting my emotions get the better of me.
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