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New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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I recently had to go to America for a wedding, due to these types of policies I always go through my phone and clean almost everything out of there.

Photos, logout of Google, clean up downloads, etc.

I don't have anything to hide, however having some random customs dude go into Google Photos which has over a decade of my life documented doesn't seem exactly ideal.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

#272
post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me ask you this hypothetical question instead: What if we have a "physical encryption" technology that allows encrypting physical objects so that X-ray scanners, drug detecting methods or metal detectors cannot see through them? Would customs be allowed to ask for the decryption key? Or should the customs just ignore whatever encrypted inside?

Let me ask you this hypothetical question instead: What if we have a "brain encryption" technology that allows encrypting your brain so that brain scanners, thought detecting methods or emotion detectors cannot see through it? Would customs be allowed to ask for the decryption key? Or should the customs just ignore whatever is encrypted inside?

Of course they should be allowed to do so. That would eradicate drug trafficking and cross-border terrorism.

I would say the benefit is too good, weighing against privacy.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

#273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The need to inspect what you're bringing into the country has not. True. It went from zero to.. zero.

I'm pretty sure it's extremely import to inspect what people are bringing into the country. Besides the financial... tools that people can bring into a country there's a whole host of other items that can negatively impact the country, and not just from a social aspect: * Invasive species. This includes plants, not just animals. * Drugs * In times of known or potential epidemics, screening people for obvious sickness…

1) All of those also apply to inter-region travel within the same country. Should those have guarded borders too? Shouldn't there be guarded borders between neighborhoods in the same city, just to make sure that nothing bad spreads? Hell, why not run around "inspecting" people's houses at random, just in case?

2) None of those are digital, so your earlier justification is moot anyway.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

#274

I recently had to go to America for a wedding, due to these types of policies I always go through my phone and clean almost everything out of there. Photos, logout of Google, clean up downloads, etc. I don't have anything to hide, however having some random customs dude go into Google Photos which has over a decade of my life documented doesn't seem exactly ideal.

"I have nothing to hide" is just another way of saying "My friends and family are stupid for trusting me." Your devices don't just contain information that's sensitive to you.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

#275
post #85

This is an important issue cryptographers and security minded people often overlook: the strongest cryptography is irrelevant if it opens you to such social harassment. What we need is practical cryptography. I have found practical success by booting from an encrypted Linux partition that has absolutely nothing relevant on it, with a weak password I can always enter when requested by big guys with guns. Unbeknown to…

If you pull this stunt in the USA, I hope you enjoy your five-year sentence in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison and the effect that the permanent felony conviction on your record will have on your employment prospects and the exercise of your civil rights. Misleading, or concealing information from, a federal agent is a felony.

> If you pull this stunt in the USA, I hope you enjoy your five-year sentence in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison and the effect that the permanent felony conviction on your record will have on your employment prospects and the exercise of your civil rights. Misleading, or concealing information from, a federal agent is a felony.

If this is the line of the argument, then why is the search done at all? I am perfectly fine telling an agent of the state "No sir, I do not have any illegal data on this device" - fully knowing that a lie is conducive to imprisonment. What I object to is the search itself, which by the way, is unlawful under the US constitution.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

#276

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I don't think you need a special provider... at least on an iPhone, it only takes a few taps to wipe it, and then when you restart it, it immediately gives you the option of logging in with your Apple ID and restoring from your last backup (which is automatically made nightly, and reportedly encrypted).

I use the iCloud Backup feature on my iPhone. It does not back up every night. It seems to be every other day or so. Right now, it reports that my phone was last successfully backed up 26.5 hours ago.

My understanding that it tries to do a backup every 24 hours, but only if it is both connected to a power source and on Wi-Fi.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

#277

Happened to a female friend flying from Toronto to visit me in Mexico. Because she had a connecting flight in US, a US agent went through her phone. (Classic mistake of entering the US unless absolutely neccessary) Guy was reading her Tinder messages and accusing her of being a prostitute. He brought up some saucy messages and would say things like “girls don’t do this kind of stuff for free...” Finally handed her ba…

These are the same agents that I watch scream in "special person talk" (think Trump mocking the reporter) at confused Chinese tourists. I see it every time I fly international here. Great first impression our border agents are giving people.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

#278
post #39

I really want phone makers to allow me to unlock into separate enclaves on my phone. I.e. If I use 1234 as my unlock pin, it goes to my normal phone. If I use 5678 instead, it unlocks to a separate user account with its own notifications, pictures, apps, etc., similar to a truecrypt hidden partition.

It can turn out like this - Officer - Do you have multiple pins on your phone? You - (if you say) No Then you lied to an officer. They can also find it out.

> They can also find it out.

How do they know you lied?

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

#279
post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me ask you this hypothetical question instead: What if we have a "physical encryption" technology that allows encrypting physical objects so that X-ray scanners, drug detecting methods or metal detectors cannot see through them? Would customs be allowed to ask for the decryption key? Or should the customs just ignore whatever encrypted inside?

There's no need to go to such wild hypotheticals if what you want to say is that you support border data searches - it's your right to have that political position. I simply have the opposite position. Given some hypothetical new technology with vast societal implications, I would be forced to carefully reconsider that position, but in this case I believe privacy is a basic human right that does not simply disappear…

Of course I respect your opinions. I am just giving a thought experiment to introduce a different perspective and way of thinking.

And I am more than happy to learn that you would re-consider your position given such hypothetical situation.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

#280
post #121
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It's troubling to watch one of the most amazing places on earth transform itself into a totalitarian purgatory. Access to physical phone/laptop is only the first step -- mark my words. Big Brother's bureaucrats are never satiated. Next, we will have demands for passwords and unrestricted access to : email, facebook, photo sharing, hacker news posts, social media, etc. I see sudden spike in the market for burner phone…

Lets not get too excited. There were about 40 million passengers transiting NZ airports last year, according to Wikipedia.[0] The article says roughly 540 devices were searched in the same time period. That's 0.00135% or basically a dozen people per million being searched. That hardly seems like totalitarian overreach. In fact it seems quite restrained and pretty reasonable - and presumably must be intelligence led,…

This only applies to those passing through international customs, under 4 million arrivals last year, half of them Australian, who bypass customs anyway.

Searching for the 540 figure it appears to be mobile phones only, there was another 300 computers. So ~840 searches for 2 million people.

https://www.mbie.govt.nz/info-services/sectors-industries/to...

https://fyi.org.nz/request/1119-how-many-digital-devices-are...

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