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The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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Google is miles ahead in terms of a conversational assistant. There is a lot of friction in using voice activated services. If I have a choice of typing "Weather in XXXXX zip" in the address bar vs. asking an assistant, I choose the former. Therefore, every time I use anything else but Google, I am afraid it won't recognize my command and I immediately feel like throwing that thing out of the window. I need to be 100…

I got a google home solely because it came w/ a hue package and tried to show it to my family. The Home couldn't hear me over itself (music) across the kitchen... My alexa can hear what I'm saying down the corridor with the shower on and much louder. It was embarassing

I find the Alexa is less accurate at recognizing commands when music or the TV is playing.

Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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Out of curiosity, what are you fighting Amazon about on this? (full disclosure: I work on Alexa, but not on the team that handles skills)

According to the 'feedback' I received when I submitted the skill, they won't publish anything that enables or supports piracy. Seems they have a pretty negative view of Kodi. I've responded and asked to have the issue escalated and posted on the dev forums, but the support is pretty sad, despite the otherwise good documentation and developer experience on the platform.

>> Seems they have a pretty negative view of Kodi.

That's hilarious because Amazon is probably the biggest seller of Kodi boxes in Canada.

Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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>> wait, VR is freaking awesome, please don't put it in the same box. It's not freaking awesome for everyone. I feel like throwing up any time I spend more than a couple minutes on it.

Yeah I'm actually really sad about that, a good friend of mine just told me "AR is way better, I'm going to buy magicleap" while he's never tried AR in his life but just had a pretty bad experience with VR (did a VR park in Japan and was nauseous the whole time). I thought the new iterations of the Vive had fixed most problems but seems like some people are just not going to experience this thing any time soon :/

I'm so "sensitive" that watching an FPS like Doom on a 2D monitor makes me want to hurl.

Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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Smart home control: “Alexa turn the lights on.” News. Kitchen timers. Music control. These are my most popular uses.

The timers seem good, also music. Light seems to slow instead of just hitting a button

I guess that depends where the button is located. If you are sitting down on your couch and forgot to turn off the light it definitely beats standing up and walkin back to the door.

If the switch is within reach anyway then I totally agree that a voice command is more cumbersome than just hitting the switch

Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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Very revealing discussion. Most of the participants just argue about Amazon vs. Google here, some fear surveillance, some consider the devices useless, a few want to understand if the HN crowd finds it useful. This is something I notice here on HN in product-related discussions more and more: people just say what THEY think about product X (typically a negative opinion or complaint), rather being creative, constructi…

It’s a product with a heavy marketing push, that’s the why. In terms of the response to these devices... they are tough devices in that they do not stand alone, and their usefulness is really defined by who the user is. I think what you’re reading here is a coming to grips with it. Nobody really knows what these things are good for yet... but someone’s teenager likes to listen to music with it and someone’s grandma l…

> It’s a product with a heavy marketing push, that’s the why.

I absolutely agree. They also fixed the most glaring problem of the Fire Phone -- the cost.

As I write this, the echo dot is $30 [screenshot]. Over 60% of US households apparently has Amazon prime. This is a good purchase for them I think.

[screenshot] https://screenshots.firefoxusercontent.com/images/a164594d-5...

Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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Title should be this: "An always listening device that record all your private conversations, that may or may not have been compromised (or will be compromised) by the private and government entities for surveillance and profit purposes has been the best selling product in the USA (where people refuse to give-up rights to own guns because they don't trust the government)"

Ok, I’ll bite. How does Alexa/home/whatever differ from your laptop? your laptop has a 10x more dangerous attack surface with a full featured web browser and a load of internet-connected apps, and yes it has a microphone too.

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Can we be absolutely certain that everything before “Ok, Google” or “Alexa” isn’t being recorded, by the companies or by back doors created by the security services? Seems too much like a telescreen for my liking. The problem is I would love one I could trust!

>Can we be absolutely certain that everything before “Ok, Google” or “Alexa” isn’t being recorded, by the companies or by back doors created by the security services? It's all proprietary, so the answer is: no.

Correction: it’s all proprietary, so the answer is: yes; you could reverse engineer firmware

Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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Night and day difference. With Google glass, you're bringing a stealthy, concealed video camera into public spaces like restrooms, where the guy using the urinal next to you has no idea if you're recording him or not. With smart home devices, you put a microphone on private property that you already own, and it needs to be connected to an AC outlet. It's not a public space. Meanwhile, most seem to have no problem car…

> Meanwhile, most seem to have no problem carrying smartphones on them 24/7, which have the same capability of recording microphone input, but in public spaces disconnected from an AC outlet. I never understood using this as an argument in favor of always listening devices. Just because someone is invading your privacy in one way, doesn't mean you should just open the floodgates and let everyone invade your privacy.…

I agree, if you are the type of person that refuses to use a smartphone on anti-surveillance principals, however, the same people that say they would never buy a digital assistant have one on their phones already.

Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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Simple, they have hit a price range that the average person feels they can spend and not feel to bad about wasting money later if it sits on the shelf. You would probably need to edit your question to "Why do you think millions of people bought an [Amazon] Echo Dot or a Google Home [Mini]" The evidence is clear both are the lowest costing home assistant device for their respective lines. At $30 on sales this season i…

>Simple, they have hit a price range that the average person feels they can spend and not feel to bad about wasting money later if it sits on the shelf. I would add... 'and the vast majority of americans dont understand why they should care about government surveillance and how that relates to installing an internet-connected microphone in their home' unfortunately most of us in the hn crowd probably feel like there…

You already have an internet connected microphones in your house. Its your computer, your chromecast or firestick, your smartphone has three, your laptop, your smart tv, anything IOT, heck, I once connected a speaker system to become a mic at a friends house and broadcast it over a SRD. It maybe that they don't understand but many "in the know" seems pretty hypocritical when they examined there own self. I know this isn't going to be a popular opinion on HN.

When we start to talk about government surveillance I think people go over board and start looking at IOT devices over aggressively. It not hard to bug a house, people are usually gone for at least 8 hours a day on weekdays. If I was doing an ops, it be easier to break into their Wi-Fi and infect a device that way or break into their house and just plant a bug or two rather than wait and get a warrant for their data from Google or Amazon which is time consuming and filled with paper pushing, plus the added fact that Google and Amazon have both pushed back in recent years in court battles.

When it comes to "Big Brother" you are fighting a rather big monster with zero days, money and time on its side. Even as someone with enterprise grade networking equipment in his house and a security background, I just know its a time game if you fighting the "MAN". I had a friend that was super paranoid. Enterprise gear, no IOT, custom linux router with live patching, some pretty cool stuff. Asked me to pentest him. A door left unlocked (planned to use a bump key) by his wife before leaving the house and a PoisonTap attack on a windows computer and he was pawned. GAME OVER.

Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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I think they’re saying they changed to referring to Alexia in conversation to A or Her

I'm responding to "devices will be much [better] at figuring out when we're addressing them than the primitive idea of a wake-word". That kind of on-device context detection may not be feasible with the currently-shipping hardware.

I'm sure they could do that detection without local updates in the future (disable the output if it detect a wrong context).
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