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Post by sethrin »

justadeveloper2 wrote: post #233
scarface74 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I consider myself to be a "bleeding heart libertarian". I'm against the drug war, believe in a strong separation of church an state, live and let live, etc. But I don't mind paying taxes for the government to help people help themselves and to help people who can't help themselves.

I still mind paying taxes and always will--anyone who doesn't is a doormat. It's just that I also no that a certain amount of expropriation is going to happen no matter what. I still don't support in collectivism or collectivist solutions, though. I think those things are the big lie told to people--that no other system can do what government does. The US government is mainly involved in theft from the middle class v…

It's not that no other system can do what government does, it's that there is no other system. Government is a local monopoly on violence. Getting rid of violent (coercive) government does not remove the ability of men to be violent. Because violence is the birthright of man, we develop these agreements about when it's okay to be violent. These are called 'governments'.

Libertarianism is an idealist philosophy which elevates individual rights over that of the collective. This is not a logically inconsistent position, but the real world is not required to conform to what you think is logical. In the real world, rights don't exist if they're not enforced, and you'll note how that word is also inseparable from violence. It would be nice if we lived in a world where libertarianism were possible, or communism too for that matter. Unfortunately such is not the case.

Re: Love it or hate it, truckers say they can’t stop listening to public radio

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Post by vacri »

jessaustin wrote: post #246
vacri wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you should re-read the last sentence in my comment.

Oh sure if I re-read it about 829 more times while CNN plays in the background, I might care about that. Hypnotizing! Libertarians aren't angels (except perhaps in a relative sense, when considering any POTUS other than Carter elected in my lifetime), but they never get 3% of the vote, for one office. Yet they're some sort of crazy powerful bogeyman that every progressive of correct thought must constantly fear and a…

I don't fear libertarians, I just find them juvenile and annoying. Stop projecting. My point about re-reading my comment was that you were accusing me of the very thing that I said people other than libertarians care about.

This is why I find libertarians fucking annoying, because they just wholesale declare the world to be other than it is. No, they're not a bogeyman, but they do spend a lot of time derailing politics, like when Rand Paul describes government provided universal healthcare as literal slavery of doctors. Yes, the two major parties in the US are fucked, but libertarianism is not the only alternative.

Also, you're a child for revenge-downmodding. When all my comments in time range go down by a point except the ones that specifically you can't downmod, it's stupidly obvious it's you.

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Post by cSoze »

jms18 wrote: post #51
ekianjo wrote: post #15

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>I'm a Libertarian As a libertarian, don't you find the economic news reports from NPS cringeworthy though?

Marketplace with Kai Ryssdal? Cringeworthy? Edit: Or Planet Money?

Kai Ryssdal is horrible. Fluff piece after fluff piece and he prefaces all stories containing data with an extremely patronizing "dumb this down for you" speech.

Re: Love it or hate it, truckers say they can’t stop listening to public radio

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Post by jessaustin »

vacri wrote: post #272
jessaustin wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh sure if I re-read it about 829 more times while CNN plays in the background, I might care about that. Hypnotizing! Libertarians aren't angels (except perhaps in a relative sense, when considering any POTUS other than Carter elected in my lifetime), but they never get 3% of the vote, for one office. Yet they're some sort of crazy powerful bogeyman that every progressive of correct thought must constantly fear and a…

I don't fear libertarians, I just find them juvenile and annoying. Stop projecting. My point about re-reading my comment was that you were accusing me of the very thing that I said people other than libertarians care about. This is why I find libertarians fucking annoying , because they just wholesale declare the world to be other than it is. No, they're not a bogeyman, but they do spend a lot of time derailing polit…

I'm not projecting; you're projecting! b^)

Sorry about your internet points. Now that I've regained composure, I'll be sure to upvote you occasionally. You'll make it to the top in no time! I don't think I downvoted all your comments, however? I'm pretty sure I upvoted this one? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15069956 Bygones!

I'm happy to support any alternative. I feel that any actual change (as opposed to Trump's new-boss-same-as-the-old shtick), in no matter what direction, would have to be an improvement. For instance, I voted for Bernie in the primaries, and he had my vote in the general before DNC wiped their asses with that vote. I haven't voted D or R for President in decades. I guess I can understand being annoyed by libertarians, although I myself am not. What drives me around the bend is CNN reptiles like Jake Tapper or Alisyn Camerota defending the two-faces-one-party status quo and all the wars and brutality that entails. That often takes the form of pointless derailing bitching about libertarians or greens or random online skeptics or whomever, of which yours upthread is a prime example. Sorry... I don't think we'll see the changes we want by starting the effort with a purity test.

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Post by tomcam »

albedoa wrote: post #260
DaniloDias wrote: post #67

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Is it possible that the comment is actually a dig at the quality of the article? I wouldn't assume it to be a rude comment.

If you read his other comments it's clear that he's not doing a bit. That is just who he is.

Tell me more

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Post by tmnvix »

albedoa wrote: post #48
tmnvix wrote: post #37

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> I am more tolerant or opposing views than most, unfortunately. Why do you say "unfortunately"? I would say it is a strength if you can tolerate opposing views without necessarily accepting them.

He is saying it is unfortunate that others are not as tolerant of opposing views.

D'oh! Of course.

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Post by woodandsteel »

throwaway2016a wrote: post #9

I love NPR. My wife makes fun of me because sometimes I sit in the car with the battery / radio on after I park just to hear a story finish. New Hampshire Public radio has a lot of local news and features too, which I can't hear anywhere else. I'm sure other markets are the same. You can get it on Alexa too because most of the shows are also podcasts which is also great. I've also heard a lot from my conservative fri…

>I've also heard a lot from my conservative friends that NPR is too liberal but to be honest, I haven't seen that at all.

The reason conservatives think NPR is wildly liberal is they don't listen to it. They only listen to conservative media, and it tells them NPR is 100% pro-communism and also is pro-Sharia law. Which anyone who actually listens to it knows is utter nonsense.

The lesson here is you should listen directly to both sides, and not just listen to one side and take for granted it is telling you the truth about the other side.

NPR is itself is pretty good here. It regularly has conservatives presenting their views. But I also subscribe to a conservative magazine, just to make sure I am getting the whole story.

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Post by alphakappa »

danmaz74 wrote: post #178
throwaway2016a wrote: post #9

I love NPR. My wife makes fun of me because sometimes I sit in the car with the battery / radio on after I park just to hear a story finish. New Hampshire Public radio has a lot of local news and features too, which I can't hear anywhere else. I'm sure other markets are the same. You can get it on Alexa too because most of the shows are also podcasts which is also great. I've also heard a lot from my conservative fri…

Shouldn't a libertarian be against NPR because it's funded by the Federal government? I get confused sometimes.

Gets some funding from the federal government != funded by the federal government.

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Post by watecmascript »

coldtea wrote: post #169
djrogers wrote: post #68

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Why? For he simple reason that the more money funnels through the government, the less choice an individual has in how to use it. It’s about power, and in our world, money is power.

> For he simple reason that the more money funnels through the government, the less choice an individual has in how to use it. Well, if the money funnels in billionaires and overseas corporate accounts, an individual has even less choice in how to use it (unless he is the owner of said company or the billionaire). Whereas with the government at least the individual gets a vote on how those money should be used. > It’…

> Well, if the money funnels in billionaires and overseas corporate accounts, an individual has even less choice in how to use it

Billionaires buy things, travel, and hire people to work for them. They don't hold onto their money forever. And if they do hold on to, it lowers the supply of money in circulation, thus increasing the value of the dollars YOU hold. A rising tide lifts all ships. So I fail to see the problems. Besides, it's their money, what right does anyone else have to it? If you want their money, find something to sell to them. Maybe start a billionaire vacation resort on the moon. That will create tons of jobs.

> Whereas with the government at least the individual gets a vote on how those money should be used.

Voting is just a small piece, the bigger part is the full-time lobby groups and interest. They have a much more control than the individual gets 1 vote out of 200+ million. And just because 51+% of voters think it's ok to steal someones income, doesn't make it right.

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Post by dang »

throwaway2016a wrote: post #9

I love NPR. My wife makes fun of me because sometimes I sit in the car with the battery / radio on after I park just to hear a story finish. New Hampshire Public radio has a lot of local news and features too, which I can't hear anywhere else. I'm sure other markets are the same. You can get it on Alexa too because most of the shows are also podcasts which is also great. I've also heard a lot from my conservative fri…

This subthread went full generic-ideological so we detached it from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15068327 and marked it off-topic.
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