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UK Prime Minister Theresa May announces intention to hold general election

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Re: UK Prime Minister Theresa May announces intention to hold general election

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Have you considered spoiling your ballot paper?

What effect does this have? AFAIK spoiled ballot papers counts are not announced at all (or not very widely if they are) so what's the point?

> spoiled ballot papers counts are not announced at all

That's not true. Returning officers announce the number of rejected ballot papers, and explain why they were rejected, at the same time as this winner is announced.

For example:

https://youtu.be/jbDgT3b-M44?t=117

Re: UK Prime Minister Theresa May announces intention to hold general election

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I hear you. You even see people openly embracing Enoch Powell's ideas again. Brexit and Trump removed the taboo on fascism and those long time closeted fascists are now very openly pushing their propaganda. The rest of us are too busy defending their right to destroy our society and our values.

As a Tory and a Brexit voter, let me reassure you that I (and my Brexit voting friends) are not closeted fascists. The idea is quite offensive, actually. :)

I'm not sure if my English is good enough, but that's not what I said.

I said that Brexit and Trump removed the taboo about fascism and fascists are raising their voices.

Why would you think I called Brexit, Tories or Trump voters fascists? It would be over-simplifying demographics and politics.

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Actually this is just good business for the Tories, and I've long expected it. The opposition is in disarray under Corbyn, and our prime minister has never won an election. This is as easy a victory as Theresa May will ever be able to bank on, and legitimises her leadership in the eyes of a large section of the public. She can also claim (maybe rightly so) that she has the undisputed majority support of the public fo…

I don't get the constant "we're screwed" rhetoric. Why do you think this?

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I hear you. You even see people openly embracing Enoch Powell's ideas again. Brexit and Trump removed the taboo on fascism and those long time closeted fascists are now very openly pushing their propaganda. The rest of us are too busy defending their right to destroy our society and our values.

>The rest of us are too busy defending their right to destroy our society and our values. Which values are those? Unfortunately, I would argue that England has never had values I'd agree with. What about values of privacy and civil liberties? You can't even have certain drawings (yes, even their possession is illegal) and ISP have to keep your Internet usage for a year. Bourgeois democracy cannot protect the values o…

Privacy, freedom, protection from the tyranny of the majority, equality, fraternity, respect for minorities, socialised and universal healthcare, feminism, ecologism (firefox says this is not a word?)...

Those are the ones I care about and I think are at danger.

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post #41

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Have you considered spoiling your ballot paper?

What effect does this have? AFAIK spoiled ballot papers counts are not announced at all (or not very widely if they are) so what's the point?

Most people who don't vote do so out of laziness, by spoiling your ballet paper you can refute that.

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I knew I should have put a bet on this, we were never going to leave Europe. Which ever parties manifesto says stay in Europe will win - end of story.

She would have never of called if she thought she wasn't going to win. This is basically to get a higher majority in the commons, so things can go through unimpeded.

She wasn't pro-brexit, it's difficult to say what her motives are. It does seem the enormity of brexit is becoming more apparent as time goes on, perhaps she would like a tight result to keep a lid on the right of her party.

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Actually this is just good business for the Tories, and I've long expected it. The opposition is in disarray under Corbyn, and our prime minister has never won an election. This is as easy a victory as Theresa May will ever be able to bank on, and legitimises her leadership in the eyes of a large section of the public. She can also claim (maybe rightly so) that she has the undisputed majority support of the public fo…

who's "we"? I'd be pretty happy about an election legitimising May's leadership. If labour wants to become more competitive they should stop nominating far-left leaders.

> If labour wants to become more competitive they should stop nominating far-left leaders.

A party becomes more competitive by moving closer in policy to another party? I'm happy with a far-left leadership, and I'd take it any day over some party vaguely in favour of Keynesianism.

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Maybe he does, but at 48% of those who voted it's not much of an echo chamber.

Yes but this is a general election where we're voting for a party, not pro or anti-Brexit. I despise the conservatives, but I support Brexit. So I'm certainly not voting for the lib dems. I actually like every single Liberal Democrat policy besides their hard-line on doing everything they can to ignore the result of the referendum. It's a shame because I don't feel like labour are in a position to really take the cou…

General elections are won in the centre ground, you might be in for some disappointment.

Re: UK Prime Minister Theresa May announces intention to hold general election

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>The rest of us are too busy defending their right to destroy our society and our values. Which values are those? Unfortunately, I would argue that England has never had values I'd agree with. What about values of privacy and civil liberties? You can't even have certain drawings (yes, even their possession is illegal) and ISP have to keep your Internet usage for a year. Bourgeois democracy cannot protect the values o…

Privacy, freedom, protection from the tyranny of the majority, equality, fraternity, respect for minorities, socialised and universal healthcare, feminism, ecologism (firefox says this is not a word?)... Those are the ones I care about and I think are at danger.

Democracy is "tyranny of the majority" no matter which way you look at it (I'm still in favour of it though). And I think equality, fraternity, respect for minorities, socialised and universal healthcare, feminism and focus on ecology would be much better served without capitalism.

Why didn't you include the right to privacy and freedom of expression too?

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