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Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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xemoka wrote: post #153
Arathorn wrote: post #126

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The message isn't encrypted for each device; the message is encrypted once for the room, as part of a 'session' of messages - and then the key data for that session is shared with the devices who are allowed to read it. Thus you can share old session key data with other devices if you want, meaning that new devices /can/ see old messages, although we're still working through the UX for that. (Currently the only way t…

Thanks—so there's another layer of encryption over the ever changing (Megolm) key that encrypts the room, if I understand this. Looks like I simplified too much.

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Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by Arathorn »

jyrkesh wrote: post #242
kiriakasis wrote: post #59

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I believe that making sync work with E2E bring either security issues or more burden on the user; I would like them in telegram, but I also like the "if you send this message you exactly the device it go to, not an old laptop i forgot in the office, just my phone". it is meant to be secure on a device level.

Yeah, you'd have to manually put your private keys onto your computer from your phone.

Or you do what Matrix does, and given every device its own keypair, and let users track whether they are talking to a trusted decice or not.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by brobinson »

lucb1e wrote: post #90
eddiecalzone wrote: post #51

Signal has this as well. I trust their security (personal bias), but unfortunately the call quality is a non-starter at the moment.

As does Wire, just for the record. They are one of the newer kids on the block. Open sourced in March 2016, End to End encrypted (everything and by default) since June 2016 (or the other way around). Supports chats, calls, video calls, file transfers and multiple devices (including Linux, though Electron...).

Server isn't open sourced yet... I saw a video where they claimed "Q1 2017", but that doesn't leave them much time...

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by Arathorn »

throwaway399 wrote: post #27
unicornporn wrote: post #20

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Wire? I used it for a year with friends and family. I have never in my life experienced a buggier app on Android. My friends and family said the same about it. They seem to focus on bringing new features (like an alien voice FX feature) when they should try to fix the basics first. The worst thing that happened to me was that UI told me I was in a chat with Alice, but I soon realized I was actually chatting with Bob.…

There is no way riot is less buggy. Try macos to macos Sierra to Yosemite voice call. It segfaults right away. Wire is buggy but generally works. The main problem with it is that metadata is collected by default.

We're not aware of any crashes at all on Riot/Desktop (especially as it's an electron app, so crashes will be due to chromium bugs). Please can you make sure it's filed on https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues? thanks!

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by RubyPinch »

r3bl wrote: post #246
RubyPinch wrote: post #192

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They have? https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop seems fairly up to date?

Latest commit on the Android version was six months ago: https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram And yes, that's the official location of the Android app, linked here: https://telegram.org/apps

it seems they are watching, they've uploaded the newer version

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by unicornporn »

jaflo wrote: post #188
unicornporn wrote: post #39

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They're sitting on troves of data. Extremely few use the E2E encrypted "secure chat" feature (mainly because it isn't default, but also because it doesn't sync between devices) and all the chat logs and data are stored on their servers (and are readable by Telegram). They also store your address book on their servers. I'm sure they will find ways monetize this. Data is the "new gold", as they say[1]... [1] https://ww…

Their FAQ[1] states: Q: Will you have ads? Or sell my data? Or steal my beloved and enslave my children? No. So I don't think they will make money by selling data. [1] https://telegram.org/faq#q-will-you-have-ads-or-sell-my-data...

And what in the world makes you think that a company run by a russian nationalist[1] offering a free service with a million dollar bill will stick by their word (which, in this case is literally a single word)? The naivety of people in this post Snowden world is striking to me.

[1] https://www.instagram.com/p/-MrPWGr7aL/

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by unicornporn »

fenwick67 wrote: post #194
jaflo wrote: post #188

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Their FAQ[1] states: Q: Will you have ads? Or sell my data? Or steal my beloved and enslave my children? No. So I don't think they will make money by selling data. [1] https://telegram.org/faq#q-will-you-have-ads-or-sell-my-data...

An FAQ isn't binding. What does their TOS say?

Are you really serious? This is a post snowden society.

> An FAQ isn't binding.

Probably not, but please beware that this service is not subject to US law, but the laws of the Russian Federation.

> What does their TOS say?

TOS are subject to change, right? And even if it wasn't, do you really think the TOS will stop a company run by a russian nationalist[1] offering a free service with a million dollar bill will stick by their word (which, in this case is literally a single word)?

[1] https://www.instagram.com/p/-MrPWGr7aL/

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by notspanishflu »

CaptSpify wrote: post #260
notspanishflu wrote: post #257

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First check you're running the last Telegram version, that's 2.3.36.2 Second, have you tried to delete the cache (.cache/com.ubuntu.telegram)? That will erase your secret chats too, so you can make a copy before deleting it.

Yup, latest version. I tried clearing the cache and no change. Since I was in console, I just checked syslog and I'm getting a dbus DENIED. I'll poke at it when I have more time, but I wonder if they need to fix up their apparmor perms. Curious as to why your getting a different result though. EDIT: I'd also be curious as to your opinion of Touch in general? My opinion: I love it. I'm not a huge fan of Unity, or Ubun…

Oh sh*t I'm just remembering now a problem some people had with lock files. I thought it was fixed [0].

In that thread someone said deleting .config/com.ubuntu.telegram//auth.lock solved the problem with Telegram not starting [1].

So look for .lock file/s and delete it/them.

I still love Debian way more than Ubuntu, but I think they're doing a great work with Touch.

[0] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-...

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-...

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by Nexxxeh »

corford wrote: post #265
adamheins wrote: post #175

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I don't know much about the different router brands and models. Which would you consider to be some of the good ones?

Draytek are a good choice at the consumer level.

Having used Drayteks, and supported them, and indeed having owned one (company supplied for site-to-site VPN) I wouldn't recommend them. The feature set is great, the router is not.
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