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Re: Parse is shutting down today

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I'm also confused. "API as a service" sounds to me like "service as a service"... ok, it's a service, but what does it do ?

And if I download the open source code, and run it on my own server, is it a service as a service as whatever-the-opposite-of-a-service is? I'm confused...

You're thinking too small. Support it multi-tenant on a fleet of servers and sell it to customers, now you've got a service-as-a-service-as-a-platform.

Re: Parse is shutting down today

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Something I've been wondering is would you recommend using the open source Parse server for new code or is it more targeted towards projects that were already using the Parse API?

It's geared towards legacy. I have used parse in 3 different projects (none of that was my choice, these were existing projects I had to take over) and I would NEVER recommend it for new projects. The way everyone seems to use it, in my experience, is giving the client credentials to manipulate the full database which is absolutely insane. Obviously this is not good practice but every single parse project I've gotten…

Later versions don't let you easily give the client full access. You instead have to do it through Cloud Code (another facet of Parse), so the key never leaves the server.

Not to disagree with your overall assessment. I'm generally wary of these swiss-knife frameworks - they're written for a particular use case in mind, and if your project doesn't fit that, you may go through contortions to get things working smoothly.

Re: Parse is shutting down today

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So many posts on HN are like this, assuming that every obscure webservice is common knowledge. "Jabberwocky has reached version 1.1! Performance increased by 30%, users must migrate from 1.0 by the 12th. Use Jabberwocky in your business now! New users get a free trial!" OK that's nice but what tf is it and why should I care?

Yesterday I built a 100M user social network using Jabberwocky. It took me just 25 minutes, bro, and now I've retired to my own private Caribbean island.

So it's you on my Caribbean lawn! Now get off it.

Re: Parse is shutting down today

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> Parse was an API as a service. The idea being that you don't need your own servers and parse would provide API, database, push messaging and so on. I'm still unclear. It's some sort of hosted database+services?

I'm also confused. "API as a service" sounds to me like "service as a service"... ok, it's a service, but what does it do ?

> I'm also confused. "API as a service" sounds to me like "service as a service"... ok, it's a service, but what does it do?

perhaps this http://rawrmaan.com/why-parse-failed/ might be a better explanation ?

Re: Parse is shutting down today

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I remember when Facebook announced the acquisition of Parse. I was talking to some devs who really like Parse. They were pretty down about the news. The comment that really struck me was, "Now that Facebook bought them, I don't trust Parse anymore." A lot of devs seemed to sour on Parse, but Facebook seemed to push back by seeming to say that Parse was going to be around for a long time. Well, that was interesting.

Re: Parse is shutting down today

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So the alternative options are: - pouchDB - https://github.com/pouchdb/pouchdb - RxDB - https://github.com/pubkey/rxdb - gunDB - https://github.com/amark/gun - horzion - https://github.com/rethinkdb/horizon - firebase - https://firebase.google.com/

Kind of strange that you just threw in RxDB (your own creation?) and GunDB (which is easily torn apart as snakeoil whenever it appears on HN) along with the rest of them.

Why do you descibe gunDB as SnakeOil? it is a perfectly good product

Re: Parse is shutting down today

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A little Parse trivia a gathered from talking to (very capable) Parse engineers that now work at FB: - Still the world's largest MongoDB user - Had 1M apps, largest one with 40M users - Server was Rails at first (24 threads max. concurrency), later rewritten in Go - >40 MongoDB Replica Sets with 3 nodes each. Storage Engine: RockDB (MongoRocks). No sharding (DB-to-replica-set-mapping). Only instance storage SSDs, no…

Even with higher levels of "consistency" Mongo is still unsafe [1]. [1]: https://aphyr.com/posts/322-jepsen-mongodb-stale-reads

That is definitely true for some of the older versions of Mongo. Still, a quorum write concern will yield far fewer consistency violations. An interesting trade-off to take: losing a little data is better than losing a little latency.

Re: Parse is shutting down today

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A little Parse trivia a gathered from talking to (very capable) Parse engineers that now work at FB: - Still the world's largest MongoDB user - Had 1M apps, largest one with 40M users - Server was Rails at first (24 threads max. concurrency), later rewritten in Go - >40 MongoDB Replica Sets with 3 nodes each. Storage Engine: RockDB (MongoRocks). No sharding (DB-to-replica-set-mapping). Only instance storage SSDs, no…

> which Parse only was after it had already failed You just listed some pretty impressive metrics, Parse was acquired for $85M and yet, you still think that Parse failed? I'm curious what you would call a success.

Of course, it's a little unfair to declare it failed. The exit definitely was impressive. However, the product still died. It's hard to tell without the real business metrics whether this was due to lack of sustainable revenue and growth or just missing alignment with FB's overall strategy.

From a standpoint of traction it was no failure. A lot of developers liked it for a good reason. However, the pricing model and the lack of performance guarantees lead Parse to being used for prototype stuff in the free-tier mainly. I think, if they had a little more trust in the capabilities of developers to know what they are doing, the service might still be alive.

Re: Parse is shutting down today

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Quick... everyone run to www.graph.cool !! It's parse but for GraphQL!

The way you phrased it almost seem sarcastic in the context of this thread, although i think you are actually recommending them :) They offer a interesting product but i think at this moment it has the exact same problem that Parse had (my other comment in this thread), you don't have access to the raw data, hope they will do that in the future (provide direct access to the source database), it will certainly be a mo…

Hi ruslan_talpa, I'm one of the founders of Graphcool. Thanks a lot for your feedback. You're totally right: Not having direct access to YOUR data is one of the main concerns about BaaS which we'll address at its core over the coming months.

I'd be very keen on hearing your experience getting started building something on Graphcool!

Re: Parse is shutting down today

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Quick... everyone run to www.graph.cool !! It's parse but for GraphQL!

Thanks a lot for the shoutout, bh13731. The sunset of Parse and the rise of GraphQL was indeed one of the reasons for us to start working on Graphcool. We have a lot of customers who migrated from Parse to our platform which was a good usability benchmark for us.

In general GraphQL provides many advantages over a traditional REST like API provided by most BaaS. It frees you from the need for proprietary SDKs and reduces vendor lock-in.

Here is a quick way how you can get started: https://www.graph.cool/docs/quickstart

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