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A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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What are salaries like for mid-senior level software engineers working in tech companies in Paris? What are the tax rates i.e pay after taxes?

Others have replied on the salary ranges, but don't forget to factor in free healthcare, excellent public schools, ...

It's. Not. Free. It's why the salary numbers are what they are.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Indeed! But then you get great health insurance, good public infrastructure and services, free top-notch education, etc. Basically if you're without any dependent, you may not see it as worth it, but once you have a family it really starts paying off.

People making the kind of money being discussed here, such that you trigger higher bracket income taxes, have great health insurance in the US as well. Further, decent jobs in the US almost always include health insurance compensation above the salary. I have a brother that works in a pretty normal job earning $42,000 per year (not an outsized salary in the US), he pays $27 per month for his health insurance through…

>he pays $27 per month for his health insurance through his employer, and it's a nice plan.

This is really an outlier. The US average for employee premiums is $104/month for individuals and $392/month for families.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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As someone who lives in Montreal, that's very strange to see. We import French talent by the hundreds because they are lacking interesting tech jobs over there.

Don't get it wrong, we're not lacking interesting tech jobs at all, we're lacking interesting salaries.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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As someone from the UK, my main reason for not moving anywhere else in Europe is the language barrier. I'm not even sure I'm capable of learning another language; 5 years in school trying to learn French + German, and can still only put together about two sentences. From what I remember, no one else seemed to really pick up the languages either.

If you go somewhere like Amsterdam you wouldn't have any problems since everyone speaks English.

Which is why for English speakers, the only reason to speak to another language badly is for the innate advantage in courtship.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Also from the UK and I have the upmost respect for anyone that can speak a second language. I find it incredibly difficult to get beyond a base vocabulary to actually being able to use the language without sounding like a cave man. I assume there'll be a "click" moment somewhere but its hard work getting there.

Funny, I'm from the US and find it difficult to understand some of the accents from both North-Eastern Americans (ayy Boston) and some of the UK folks I've met (when they write exactly how they speak).

I'm non-native English speaker and find that I can understand the severely broken pronunciation of people from China or India, but many of the English accents from England are quite impossible. I can ask them to repeat over and over again, and can't understand a thing, and feel rather silly.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Well, my 36k salary, while working around Paris, disagree with your assertion.

Begging the question - what do you do, and how long have you worked...

I've had my Engineer's Degrees from ISEP last year and I'm working at Alten since October 2016. My official title is development engineer (Ingénieur d'études). Before that, I've done two six-months internship as a junior java dev.

Alten is a technology and engineering consulting company, which means, in the context of the French market, that when a company, need a particular profile (like java dev) to staff a position for a set amount of time (like for the expected duration of a project), they'll contract Alten for a developer, java, for x months.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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For anyone that is really interested in this, I would first recommend reading Stephen Clarke's "A Year in the Merde". It's a humorous look at what it's like to live and work in France. Despite being over the top, there is still a large element of truth to the stories.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Apropos of this, I was in Paris recently at a startup event, and was pleasantly shocked at the sheer number of startups and people I saw doing things. This is a good move by the French, and will help attract entrepreneurs away from other countries (particularly like those just across the channel currently inflicting generational economic damage on themselves.)

As someone from the UK, my main reason for not moving anywhere else in Europe is the language barrier. I'm not even sure I'm capable of learning another language; 5 years in school trying to learn French + German, and can still only put together about two sentences. From what I remember, no one else seemed to really pick up the languages either.

Language lessons in school could be the least effective way to learn a a language. If you are own the ground using it, it is amazing how fast you can learn.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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I would still pick Berlin or Amsterdam over France. Maybe even Sweden or Finland because of the average English language level spoken in those countries even though the startup scene there is smaller than Paris.

France, or Paris? The joke my former (Parisian) co-worker used to tell was that he missed everything about Paris except the Parisians. I've heard nice things about Lyon: Largish city, easily accessible, and not full of Parisians.

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Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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post #98

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I would still pick Berlin or Amsterdam over France. Maybe even Sweden or Finland because of the average English language level spoken in those countries even though the startup scene there is smaller than Paris.

France, or Paris? The joke my former (Parisian) co-worker used to tell was that he missed everything about Paris except the Parisians. I've heard nice things about Lyon: Largish city, easily accessible, and not full of Parisians.

I'd say both. Sure there are other large cities in France but for tech I don't think that other cities have anything interesting to offer.
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