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The Real Name Fallacy

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Post by logfromblammo »

eternalban wrote: post #221
NoGravitas wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GP might not be old enough for John Ashcroft to be relevant to them. I, on the other hand, remember Ed Meese. We all become aware when we are ready to become aware.

I remember the name and face but had forgotten the details. Here is a nice quote courtesy of Ed Meese's wiki page: Suspects who are innocent of a crime should [have Miranda rights]. But the thing is, you don't have many suspects who are innocent of a crime. That's contradictory. If a person is innocent of a crime, then he is not a suspect.

For those too lazy to parse this claptrap, the quote logically reduces to "all suspects are guilty".

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Post by dreamfactory2 »

stupidcar wrote: post #68
vog wrote: post #39

The real name discussion is as old as the Usenet, maybe even older. I find it strange to see it re-appearing again and again every few years for almost decades. Back then, the consensus was roughly: 1. If a community accepts pseudonyms, it is polite to use either your realname or an obvious pseudonym. 2. If a community places high value on realnames, either use your realname or a realname-sounding (i.e. non-obvious)…

Yes. People using real names on Usenet did not usually face a serious risk of being harassed and endangered in real life by an army of trolls: E.g. having their address, phone number and other private details stolen and publicly disseminated. Having armed police raid their house because someone has made a bogus 911 call. Having their utilities and back accounts cancelled because someone rang up using their details. H…

+ with child safety and whatnot, maybe it should be illegal to use your real id publicly online?

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Post by DelaneyM »

quirkafleeg wrote: post #255
DelaneyM wrote: post #252

The problem isn't just discrimination/harassment (though that's huge - I used to use a male pseudonym on my github & stackoverflow accounts, and still do on medium.) It's also just pragmatically impossible. I have changed my first name legally three times. I have changed my last name once. I currently have different legal names in three countries, on my undergraduate & masters degrees, and on my 401k, and none of tho…

Frank Abagnale?

Hah - if I'd changed my name so often for malicious intent, instead of family & marriage reasons, it'd probably be much more rationally arranged.

Not having a canonical "real name" is a giant PITA.

Re: The Real Name Fallacy

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Post by pfooti »

syshum wrote: post #157
CM30 wrote: post #140

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Reddit definitely suffers from the free speech and social acceptableness clash. That's in part because the site was founded specifically on the assumption that it would allow freedom of speech, without realising that 'true' freedom of speech is basically 'anything goes if it's legal, social norms and rules be damned'. It's why they're struggling with communities like The Donald and had a lot of previous issues with t…

Reddit suffers because people in general do not believe freedom of speech is a right. I disliked the Fat People Hate subreddit, you know what I did... I did not visit the Fat People Hate subreddit. The communities I join and participate in on Reddit are moderated well and do not suffer from the problem, if you do not like what is talked about on The Donald, don't go there, not that hard. The problem is people do go,…

The problem is a bit more structural or philosophical. I don't visit subreddit foo, because it is objectively hate speech. Fine, except that reddit's profitability model depends on that subreddit existing and gold being passed around and so on.

By not clamping down on trash content, reddit is monetizing hate speech.

And that's why I avoid reddit entirely. Not because I'm worried my feelings will be hurt by some shitposter, but because that shitposter gets reddit gold and ad impressions that make money for reddit inc. I'm just not interested in participating in that business - in my mind they're not seperable, you can't just ignore r/the_donald or any of the other hives when they're all part of the business plan.

Re: The Real Name Fallacy

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Post by syshum »

pfooti wrote: post #275
syshum wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit suffers because people in general do not believe freedom of speech is a right. I disliked the Fat People Hate subreddit, you know what I did... I did not visit the Fat People Hate subreddit. The communities I join and participate in on Reddit are moderated well and do not suffer from the problem, if you do not like what is talked about on The Donald, don't go there, not that hard. The problem is people do go,…

The problem is a bit more structural or philosophical. I don't visit subreddit foo, because it is objectively hate speech. Fine, except that reddit's profitability model depends on that subreddit existing and gold being passed around and so on. By not clamping down on trash content, reddit is monetizing hate speech. And that's why I avoid reddit entirely. Not because I'm worried my feelings will be hurt by some shitp…

>> objectively hate speech.

Doubtful, Hate Speech is subjective, what is "hate" to person A is not hate to person B.

as an example

>you can't just ignore r/the_donald

You find the_donald filled with Hate Speech, but as a Libertarian I see all kinds of Social Justice, Statist, and other Posts to be "hate filled" that I bet you do not.

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Post by mjevans »

syshum wrote: post #158
mirimir wrote: post #125

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One aspect of compartmentalization OpSec is not telling your meatspace friends about your fake-name accounts. And vice versa . And you wouldn't use real photos in fake accounts.

The problem comes in when/if you use your Alternate Identity (I dislike "fake" as it is no less real than your government approved Identity IMO), to attend events, meetups, or other real world activities. I know many people are a part of Real Worlds clubs, attend conferences, or other events under Identities that do not match their government issued documents. They do this for a verity of reasons.

The problem is, for very good reasons, most public venues don't like masked people visiting.

Since you can't easily change your face there is a very substantial risk that some human you run across will recognize you, or that some computer algorithm will ask a human likely to to confirm it's tagging of you in a picture they have no context on.

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Post by marmot1101 »

wildmusings wrote: post #250
marmot1101 wrote: post #198

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That's all well and good when it was subs like FPH that were easily ignored. The thing that threatened to chase me off of reddit was the_donald. Not because I was "offended"(the new code word for calling someone a pussy), but because it was shitty content that pissed me off. And they figured out how to jack the algorithm to make their sub the most prominent content. I joined reddit for the science and tech, not to be…

There has never been a single post from the_donald on the default frontpage of reddit, which only includes the default subscriptions, or whatever you change your subscriptions to. According to Reddit admins, almost no one even browses r/all, the only place where there were a lot of the_donald posts. And that isn't even the case anymore, since reddit adjusted their algorithm.

spez talked about how a lot of users(myself included) do in fact browse r/all. And yes, it has been fixed which is a good thing.

Re: The Real Name Fallacy

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Post by marmot1101 »

syshum wrote: post #268
marmot1101 wrote: post #198

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That's all well and good when it was subs like FPH that were easily ignored. The thing that threatened to chase me off of reddit was the_donald. Not because I was "offended"(the new code word for calling someone a pussy), but because it was shitty content that pissed me off. And they figured out how to jack the algorithm to make their sub the most prominent content. I joined reddit for the science and tech, not to be…

Only if you are using /r/all, and if you using that to find good content you are using reddit wrong. /r/all has always been and will always be trash.

I have 3 modes of redditing in order of importance/frequency: 1. custom fp with many defaults removed, 2. r/all, 3. rarely, but sometimes default fp.

I find that it works. r/all is a lot of memes and time wasters, but can be fun for a quick look at what's going on outside of my bubble. I've found things(like rick and morty) that I wouldn't have found if I hadn't punched up r/all once in a while.

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Post by mjevans »

thrw123 wrote: post #55
wfunction wrote: post #4

Thing is, if I had to guess, I would say Facebook doesn't attempt to make you use your real name to make the community better in the first place. That's almost certainly just its pretext for everyone who's willing to fall for it. Most likely, it does that to make sure it can identify you globally and uniquely for commercial/advertising purposes. Think about how much more valuable your online identity is if you go sol…

Regardless of whether Facebook enforces the real name policy or not, simply assuming it internally can be damaging. There is a person on Facebook using my exact (very rare) name, going to my exact university, living in my exact city, also happening to be gay like me. However unlikely that this is just one gigantic coincidence, I would have been willing to let it slide if their public Facebook timeline wasn't filled w…

Honestly? The only recourse you have here (as you already asked nicely and were denied, for obvious reasons) is to sue. Your suit's path is probably to compel Facebook to reveal the contact info of the person defaming your name and identity; which will then be served with the actual suit.

Worse it'll probably be some punk kid (no money, no real consequences, etc) and you'll be left with nothing but giant legal fees.

If anything this is a clear indication that //allowing// real names online is insanity. The polar opposite of current policy should be in effect.

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