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Post by throwanem »

StavrosK wrote: post #258
throwanem wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Homosexual couples do adopt children and given the number of children in the foster care [...] A commonly cited argument, to be sure. Let's look at the magnitude of its impact in practice. Per federal statistics, roughly five hundred thousand US children are in foster care, which is roughly two-thirds of a percent of children in the US, or six per thousand. Figures on the number of children adopted by homosexual co…

As I replied to your linked comment, you're conflating the arguments. If you believe that marriage should be allowed if and only if a couple bears/adopts a child, then make parenthood a prerequsite for marriage, there's no point in instituting complex heuristics to try to guess whether a couple wants kids or not beforehand.

If that were the argument I was making, you'd have a point. But it's not, although I can see how it would be misgathered as such.

The essential difference I see isn't one of individual probability of parenthood, but of aggregate. Not all heterosexual couples rear children, true. But the likelihood of a randomly selected example rearing children is vastly higher than that for a randomly selected homosexual couple. That, I argue, is what makes it worthwhile for the state to support the former and not the latter.

To go into individual personal detail, as you seem to think I advocate, might in theory be a natural corollary of what I describe - but to do so in practice not only massively increases the bureaucracy and cost involved and brings in creepy edge cases, but requires a panopticon state in order to work.

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Post by nailer »

quonn wrote: post #268
nailer wrote: post #263

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Chavez tortured most of his opponents. No killing fields, or year 0, but advocating and using violence for political purposes is clearly a connection. Obviously, Momentum aside, Labour is against such ideas, that was precisely my point. Edit: you edited your post to add: > "Pol Pot is responsible for killing 1.6 million people. He ran labor camps, etc. Please name how many people were killed on purpose on orders of C…

Please post sources for your claims. edit: I did not edit my post after you provided any sources! From the start it contained "Pol Pot is responsible for killing 1.6 million people. He ran labor camps, etc. Please name how many people were killed on purpose on orders of Chavez. Please name a labor camp."

http://gb.lmgtfy.com/?q=chavez+torture

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Post by icu »

You cannot have a conversation with someone who doesn't acknowledge your right to have a divergent view. This sows the seeds of fascism and this is an existential threat to West.

All other political and bulling noise aside, this to me is the core of what Twitter is doing. As soon as the market understands that Twitter is betting against freedom of speech I believe the market will adjust accordingly and it will have a stock sell off and loss of users.

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Post by throwaway-hn123 »

throwanem wrote: post #271
StavrosK wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I replied to your linked comment, you're conflating the arguments. If you believe that marriage should be allowed if and only if a couple bears/adopts a child, then make parenthood a prerequsite for marriage, there's no point in instituting complex heuristics to try to guess whether a couple wants kids or not beforehand.

If that were the argument I was making, you'd have a point. But it's not, although I can see how it would be misgathered as such. The essential difference I see isn't one of individual probability of parenthood, but of aggregate. Not all heterosexual couples rear children, true. But the likelihood of a randomly selected example rearing children is vastly higher than that for a randomly selected homosexual couple. Tha…

Ok, so single out homosexual couples, because it's easy.

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Post by quonn »

nailer wrote: post #272
quonn wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please post sources for your claims. edit: I did not edit my post after you provided any sources! From the start it contained "Pol Pot is responsible for killing 1.6 million people. He ran labor camps, etc. Please name how many people were killed on purpose on orders of Chavez. Please name a labor camp."

http://gb.lmgtfy.com/?q=chavez+torture

That's not a source, that's a Google search. In fact even for your search no results come up (for me) that suggest what you claim. And I'm not even talking about the reputation of potential sources.

I have actually made an effort and checked, for example Amnesty International for the time that Chavez was in power. I don't find evidence that he tortured most of his opponents, sorry.

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Post by lightbyte »

jsmith0295 wrote: post #182
rm999 wrote: post #151

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> Micro-aggression, safe spaces, trigger words I think you're missing some perspective on this; a small % of activists on the left (mostly on college campuses) do not represent the trends of liberals in the USA. I can't think of a mainstream Democrat who considers these serious causes (including liberal ones like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren). The reality is the left has been making huge inroads on social cause…

It's not just a small percentage of activists. I'm 21, and I live in Ohio, which Trump won by 9 points, and it seems like a huge portion of people about my age are proponents of these ideas, on or off of college campuses. People call things "white" as in insult, they constantly say things like "white people have no culture", and really do seem to believe that all evil in the world is the result of things white men do…

>It's not just a small percentage of activists. I'm 21, and I live in Ohio, which Trump won by 9 points, and it seems like a huge portion of people about my age are proponents of these ideas, on or off of college campuses.

This is just a personal anecdote. I'm 23, also live in Ohio, and went to a very liberal private school. I have never met a single person who has un-ironically said these things.

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Post by throwanem »

throwaway-hn123 wrote: post #264
throwanem wrote: post #255

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No, I would hesitate to extend marriage rights to an entire class of people, of all of whom the same is true.

Why extend marriage rights to the class of people who are infertile? I don't get why you're giving that class of people special privileges.

I'm looking to find a balance between the interests of the state and those of its individual citizens. In a heterogeneous society, which all societies to some extent are, this is a complex question. To oversimplify it benefits no one.

And do you really want to equate homosexuality and infertility, which for all intents and purposes is a medical disorder? Is that where you want this conversation to go? It's not where I want this conversation to go. My sexuality is not a medical disorder.

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Post by Burritamos »

Kenji wrote: post #250

It seems like the alt-right fascist-leaning people are more dedicated to free speech than the left-leaning liberals. Oh, the irony. I'm surprised how the liberals still didn't learn the lesson after Trump was elected. Trump would have never been elected if it wasn't for the silencing and ridiculing campaigns of the liberal media. Turns out people don't like being patronised, what a surprise.

I don't think most people have the desire or awareness to come to any conclusion about what the 'liberal media' was doing. I think it's more about believing what they were told by someone who spoke on the matter with an air of authority.

If you ask the average person on the street about the improprieties of the media leading up to the election, they're not going to go into the details of the DNC emails and explain the cozy relationship between them and the media. They never read them. They're going to say the media is 'rigged' because that's what they were told over and over until the notion stuck with them.

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Post by quonn »

nailer wrote: post #260
rtpg wrote: post #210

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this is how the Alt-Right frames itself, and it's pretty ingenious. People discuss protection of culture, and completely step over the part about "their own culture". The Alt Right ideology relies on the principle that White culture is the "true" culture of the nation, and that other contributions simply do not count. They cast an illegitimacy to the history of minorities in the US. The debate about protecting the cu…

It's the same as the (generally left) folk feel fine about when preserving areas from other cultures. Want to preserve Oakland or the Mission as is? That's fine. Don't like seeing women forced to walk around in burkas and girls having their genitals cut (I live in London where these re both issues)? That's racist. Obviously Islam isn't a race, and this makes no sense, but it's something people still claim. Either pre…

I'm sure genital mutilation is already prohibited under British law. The problem with the burkas is that is it of course difficult to determine or prove that they are not worn voluntarily. I know some girls from liberal (Christian/Atheist) families who converted to Islam who wear a Niqab. I can guarantee you that they are not "forced" to do this.

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Post by aminorex »

moon_priestess wrote: post #270
alistproducer2 wrote: post #150

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>I noticed that liberals had this similar authoritarianness IMO this is what distinguishes a traditional liberal from a a progressive. For me, a liberal is basically libertarian with a belief the state can be used to ensure the rights of citizens are administered evenly. IMO, if someone's actions aren't depriving another of life or liberty, the state doesn't have much standing in regulating that activity. Progressive…

> For example, the trans bathroom thing. I legitimately see both sides on that. How? Requiring trans people carry papers just so they can use the restroom doesn't strike you as just as little bit terrible? Trans people already use whichever bathroom they feel more safe and comfortable in: All these bathroom laws do is make life harder for members of what is already a very marginalized group. There's literally no posi…

All bathrooms matter.
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