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Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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I'm curious what bothers people most about the privacy issues? Strangely I don't care that Google (and others) know about me. I probably should but I have just sorted have accepted the lack of privacy today. What really bothers me isn't the privacy its them using that data to create a completely unfair advantage to continue the oligopoly that is quickly consuming all markets. I used to be such a capitalist but as of…

Yes, I'd like to see some good (not-too-hypothetical) examples of the bad things that could happen to a person because of privacy invasion. Perhaps in the accessible form of a movie (so it can spread more easily). Any references welcome.

States have and will routinely harass and otherwise dampen the efforts of activists, dissidents, even journalists. I think examples of that are easy to find. Furthermore, they can't really have good privacy unless everyone does.

For a general case of the harms of privacy invasion, I recommend reading relevant chapters off of Schneier's Data and Goliath. Brilliant book.

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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More and more changes that do not bode well for google, first they changed it to where they can track what numbers you dial, then they tried that with your google chrome history and tabs if you synced it to your account and now this? People wondered why i stopped being a google evangelist after 2014.

Do you, or anyone else here, know of a good, privacy-conscious personal information management system? Other than Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, or Apple? Having a system that manages such critical info in a seamless way is huge. I'm acutely aware that free services are not truly "free," so if there is a good alternative that has a reasonable premium subscription plan, I would seriously consider it.

No the thing is i've had to learn all of this the hard way. using opera with a custom sync phrase, as well as using the opt-out addons that google provides. Canvas blocker, Ublock origin, and cleanlinks to get rid of the UTM strings on links. Oh and not using chrome whatsoever.

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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Yeah, so I do all my documents and spreadsheets and stuff on Sandstorm Oasis, which is their managed offering. I can do a bunch of other stuff on it, and it's easiest to figure out the extent of it by just trying the demo yourself ( https://demo.sandstorm.io ) and checking out the apps and stuff. But in my case, I mostly use it like I used Google Docs and Trello before, that I can easily control my data on, and migra…

Curious: why use the managed hosting if you are a privacy enthusiast? Or are you just a sandstorm enthusiast? Why? Became nits not Google? Just curious since your every comment is about it...and it looks like you are wearing Google glass...

Heh, the Glass picture is really old. I used to be quite the Google fan, a few years back. Then I paid a bit more attention to the cost, and have been moving away since.

The managed hosting for Sandstorm is a good step in the direction, because it's very easy to me to move between Sandstorm servers, but I'm not super confident on running my own right now, and it's still in early development as a platform. But Sandstorm on their servers runs the same as Sandstorm on mine, and unlike leaving Google, where I have to figure out how to transplant my data from their proprietary apps to other apps, I can move my apps and data perfectly between Sandstorm servers.

I do place a high degree of trust in Kenton Varda (founder of Sandstorm.io) specifically to keep Sandstorm doing what they should. If I ever feel that trust is misplaced (and I keep a close eye), I'll move.

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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This isn't a neat split along the lines of "All developers good, all marketers bad". What has won here is the pressure to grow, and the acceptance of society and governments to let them do it by any means. We are all complicit in this.

True, it's time to make a change and start educating family and friends about this issue and the alternatives. I always believed Google was successful because it was pushed and advocated for by geeks, I feel that those days are coming to an end. I use DDG and I think it's a pretty solid alternative, although it requires a little more effort when looking for certain things. Non-tech types have been curious about why I…

> True, it's time to make a change and start educating family and friends about this issue and the alternatives.

You can't just educate everyone. The law need to change to make this sort of thing illegal. Personal data should be limited, and controlled by the person involved. You should not be allowed to sign it away.

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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Does anyone know the specifics of Google's privacy practices for G Suite (formerly Google Apps for business)? They claim no advertising, but do they use your data for anything else, and do they still build shadow profiles? If you're already buying 1 TB of storage for Google Drive, then you can instead sign up for the $10 month G Suite plan and get 1 TB of storage with ad free versions of their apps.

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I've heard good things about both https://www.fastmail.com and https://protonmail.com so would be good to hear your experiences after a bit more use.

Protonmail doesn't have pop/imap/external app use. I've heard it's coming in the following months. It's great apart from that, but this is a fairly big negative if you want to use a bunch of email accounts. There are some other negatives as well, but apart from this, it seems ahead of the pack.

> Protonmail doesn't have pop/imap/external app use. I've heard it's coming in the following months.

I checked perhaps a week or two ago and found that this has been in the "it's coming" stage for a couple of years, and Protonmail didn't seem to be willing to disclose when this may finally come (they may have good reasons for that).

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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That is the opposite of my prediction. I predict that as ddos attacks become larger and more sophisticated, only Google and a handful of other huge operators will be left standing.

Realistically, if it reaches that point, why wouldn’t the first response be action on the part of ISP and backbone providers? I get that right now it would be extremely difficult and expensive, but at a point where DDoS has a significant effect on the market share of a company like Google, I feel like something would have to be done.

> why wouldn’t the first response be action on the part of ISP and backbone providers?

Schneier points out that these have the shape of probing attacks and are executed across multifaceted services at the micro & macro level. I feel like something needs to be done now. There is, I am sure, a fix but with something like Dyn and other major cloud management, infrastructure, ISP and backbone companies are getting seriously worked over. There is a saturation point.

The attackers have capabilities to hit so many different pieces of exposed surface area, that for small networks/apps/services/companies they are unable to be repelled. In between small companies and Google tier service, some can repel attacks, but they still cede some uptime and performance.

Cloudflare has released some insane reports and when you have motivated powerful attackers striking key pieces of core internet infrastructure, to some extent, you have to consider the entire system is under hostile attack.

> but at a point where DDoS has a significant effect on the market share of a company like Google

I am certainly a layman here, but none of the targets made a choice today to be vulnerable. I am sure the entire chain is rapidly reinvesting and hardening the infrastructure, but this should have probably been done years ago. In between when the companies are pouring resources out (I suspect they are now) and when they gain enough of an understanding to withstand these attacks, there will be downtime. I think google will get hit soon. It was reported that a google core outage of ~15 minutes deadzoned about 40% of America's internet traffic. Even knocking google out for ~1-2 hours would show 2008 what too big to fail means. If google DNS, Chrome, google search, gmail, google apps, hosting, dns, ISP all activities ceased for 2 hours things would get bad.

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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"Don't be evil" ... ? It's not about developers being perfectly pure and moral, it's about an organisation holding themselves up to a standard that they have set themselves. And a standard which I expect them to meet and exceed.

> And a standard which I expect them to meet and exceed Then you're a fool. If you want to slam people for not meeting standards, they'll have to be objectively defined. There's no sense of "evil" you could ever hope for people to agree on. Your complaint is similar to the chorus of people complaining that they voted for "hope" and Obama let them down. They should have known that would happen when they saw that his s…

Being cautious and careful with my information is an extremely basic standard considering the position they are in.
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