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Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by iamdave » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 6:16 PM UTC

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #268

iamdave wrote: post #258

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Words have meaning. Words have power. This much is not in debate, as far as I'm concerned (so far). Where I have to take pause is taking one usage (however derogatory) of a word and applying to every meaning and usage regardless of what the context actually is as some manifestation of virtue signalling. At this point we may as well throw out language, diction and rhetoric entirely as any word and phrase can be twiste…

By quoting Seinfeld you are showing that you are living in the past. You are also trivialising the real suffering and daily struggles of mentally handicapped people by comparing it to the "struggle" of bald people. Once again "bitch" is an offensive word.

Once again "bitch" is an offensive word.

FINE. Turnabout is fair play. I think you understood precisely the point I was attempting to make specifically by phrasing it the way I did. If your analysis of communication is to unpack and divine words back to one specific meaning but not others, how do you communicate[1]? How do you know which meaning to take issue with (that's a genuine question if you care to bother) and which ones are okay? Is it just words that at some point in history been taken and used abusively? Or are they words with novelty that only now are problematic because some group has taken it upon themselves to designate them as such? How do they do so? What do they use to decide this and how can the rest of us buy tickets to ride this clue(less)train?

You are also trivialising the real suffering and daily struggles of mentally handicapped people by comparing it to the "struggle" of bald people

By insisting that we pay a bit more respect to the precedent that language is fluid, mutable and variable and questioning the behavior of linking fringe pejorative with social vernacular (or spoken like a layperson: "What, because I said words have more than one meaning and using a word by its dictionary definition in the fully correct and appropriate context does not mean I am de facto calling someone with mental disability "retarded"?)

No. Not at all. But something familiar about the accusation you've just lobbed at me, plus that utterly worthless comment about "living in the past", indicates to me I'm not going to get very far with this. So I'm gonna just go ahead and bow out right now.

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[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah-QbFaY_wU

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by senthil_rajasek » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 6:18 PM UTC

alexbanks wrote: post #261

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #227

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Since you asked, Words are powerful and stir up emotions. In this context, someone stigmatized as "slow" or "dumb" by society, reading a sentence with the word "retard" in it has to deal with bad memories from the past rather than understanding the concepts in this sentence. Clearly, an alternative word choice exists. That's one reason why it's offensive.

But do you not understand that while writing a sentence, it is not the job of the writer to tip toe around the reader's possible negative life experience? It would be near impossible to write about anything if that were the case. Example: In your post you used the phrase "bad memories." I have bad memories of something that happened a week ago. Thus, your post is offensive (by your reasoning). Ultimately if you're sp…

A good writer has the responsibility of choosing the correct word. That's what makes them good.

I apologize if my use of some words offended you. My reasoning is that words that trigger specific memories and experiences in a person are more hurtful.

The world is not a perfect place but it is constantly changing and evolving. I keep working hard to use words that are not hurtful.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by AWildDHHAppears » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 6:21 PM UTC

matt4077 wrote: post #206

favadi wrote: post #132

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I find that github's point of view on those problems are very hard to understand. For example, I once read a github's blog complaints that they don't have enough black, women leaders in github company. But if they really think all races/genders are equal, why they care about how many percent of leaders are non-white, or women?

First of all, there is the moral case: Certain groups have been kept away from positions of power & wealth to such an extend that taking remedial action is warranted. Secondly: there are obviously some differences in the behavior, knowledge, and culture of different groups and it is beneficial for a company to include those and profit from it. But... you can't have gone through more than 14 years of life without havi…

So you're saying there would be more mentally challenged people committing changes to open source projects, if we didn't use the word "retard" in a scientific sense referring to digital filter algorithms?

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by s_kilk » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 6:25 PM UTC

matthewmacleod wrote: post #112

AWildDHHAppears wrote: post #111

Interesting. For projects that don't need a "community" we've been using Amazon CodeCommit. We don't like to use Github anymore because of the politics there. Example: We had a project involving software filters that included this sentence in the description: > Phase is related to time, but a pure time delay does not involve any phase shift. A pure time delay or "group delay" is constant with frequency. Phase shift v…

We removed our project and never used github again. That seems like a totally disproportionate approach versus responding with a polite 'this is a legitimate use of the word, thanks' message.

... and risk of it escalating into a (potentially career-ending) Internet knife-fight.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by novembermike » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 6:28 PM UTC

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #238

gknoy wrote: post #236

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It's a completely different word, though. "retard" (pronounced "RE-tard") is the derogatory term, but the context used in this sentence (to slow something down) is pronounced "re-TARD". The only people who would be offended by that are those who have never been introduced to the other word with the same spelling (but different sound). Indeed, the _primary_ listed meaning for this word [0] is the verb form, not the de…

recede is less ambiguous.

Recede doesn't mean the same thing. If something advances, then it receding means it moves in the opposite direction. If the advancement is retarded it still advances but more slowly.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by squeaky-clean » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 6:28 PM UTC

alexbanks wrote: post #259

squeaky-clean wrote: post #186

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We don't even know the whole story. The "woman" who sent the note is most likely just be an automated script.

The point is the same though. Resting a project's livelihood on a company that employed obviously incompetent process/humans/scripts is a risky move, and removing that livelihood from that company makes total sense.

It doesn't sound incompetent to me, there will always be false positives on that scale. Did they remove the OP's repo, or simply send them a message? If a legitimate email gets caught in your spam filter, do you switch email providers? Github and their process/humans/scripts don't sound like the incompetent ones in this scenario. I would be more concerned that my livelihood depended on such an over reactionary company.

"Hey boss,I tried cloning the Github repo of project X, but it says it can't be found, and I noticed our org page on Github is gone."

"Oh yeah, they sent us a message about the use of the word 'retard' in when referring to phase shifting."

"Oh, so they deleted our organization?"

"No."

"Oh? Well why can't I view it, weren't the projects public? What did you say to them?"

"I didn't say anything, I moved us to a different host."

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by elcct » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 6:33 PM UTC

favadi wrote: post #132

AWildDHHAppears wrote: post #111

Interesting. For projects that don't need a "community" we've been using Amazon CodeCommit. We don't like to use Github anymore because of the politics there. Example: We had a project involving software filters that included this sentence in the description: > Phase is related to time, but a pure time delay does not involve any phase shift. A pure time delay or "group delay" is constant with frequency. Phase shift v…

I find that github's point of view on those problems are very hard to understand. For example, I once read a github's blog complaints that they don't have enough black, women leaders in github company. But if they really think all races/genders are equal, why they care about how many percent of leaders are non-white, or women?

If someone cares more about colour or other attribute not related to the job to be done then that's racist in my book.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by raiso-lo » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 6:40 PM UTC

mc42 wrote: post #188

raiso-lo wrote: post #47

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We've been using https://rhodecode.com for internal repositories: it is also open source, yet has better interface and out-of-the-box LFS support.

The native subversion and mercurial support for the same repos is incredibly attractive. Any idea how it converts them to a shared format in real-time?

@mc42 They use a common layer called "VCS server". Here's how it looks like from the system architecture standpoint: https://docs.rhodecode.com/RhodeCode-Enterprise/admin/system...

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by chrishacken » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 6:42 PM UTC

jobvandervoort wrote: post #72

chrishacken wrote: post #41

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"you can use GitLab.com for free" It seems like that is the main selling point. However, I think that most of us don't want the extra weight of managing yet another tool. Thus why many of us use GitHub to begin with and not something else...

What do you mean with managing another tool? GitLab.com is our own instance, that we manage.

My fault, I didn't see that there was a free hosted version. I thought it was either free self-hosted or paid hosted.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by irrational » Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 6:43 PM UTC

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #238

gknoy wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a completely different word, though. "retard" (pronounced "RE-tard") is the derogatory term, but the context used in this sentence (to slow something down) is pronounced "re-TARD". The only people who would be offended by that are those who have never been introduced to the other word with the same spelling (but different sound). Indeed, the _primary_ listed meaning for this word [0] is the verb form, not the de…

recede is less ambiguous.

Recede? Recede and retard are not synonyms by any stretch of the imagination. I'm going to assume you are not a native English speaker so I am going to include some definitions for your edification:

recede - to go or move away; retreat; go to or toward a more distant point; withdraw. retard - to make slow; delay the development or progress of (an action, process, etc.); hinder or impede.

Imagine you are standing on a beach by a bay. As the tide goes out the water is receding. If you build a wall across the mouth of the bay, so that the high tide waters cannot leave the bay, then you are retarding the waters.