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Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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The Rust leadership tolerates harassment and threats as long as its against the right wing. One of Rust's top people wants to violently purge the tech community. https://archive.is/BtDaA

"right wing" or "far right wing". Remember we're talking about literal neo-nazis here, not just Conservatives.

To clarify the context, are you saying that gamergate members are literal neo-nazis?

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I think much of Reddit's problems with its userbase boil down to an early failure to manage expectations. It's pretty clear that the Reddit corporation doesn't want Reddit to be an anything-goes, absolute free speech zone with no moderation or anti-harassment policies -- but that's what the site actually was for many years. Now, when the company cracks down, users think their freedoms are being curtailed. The mistake…

Twitter's problem isn't quite the same as Reddit's. It's because the site is incredibly inconsistent with its moderation. If you run a community, you need consistency. Members need to know where the boundaries are in regards to how you can act and what is/isn't acceptable. Twitter doesn't really do this well. If you agree with the staff political stances, you can basically get away with anything. If you're popular en…

>Twitter's problem isn't quite the same as Reddit's. It's because the site is incredibly inconsistent with its moderation.

That is the same. Both are absolutely terrible at consistency. They both have very clear and obvious "protected" groups who can violate the rules with impunity.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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I think much of Reddit's problems with its userbase boil down to an early failure to manage expectations. It's pretty clear that the Reddit corporation doesn't want Reddit to be an anything-goes, absolute free speech zone with no moderation or anti-harassment policies -- but that's what the site actually was for many years. Now, when the company cracks down, users think their freedoms are being curtailed. The mistake…

> Compounding that problem, the fact that the site was unregulated for so long caused it to attract the kind of people who need to be regulated the most. Is there any evidence that reddit has a greater fraction of asshats than the general population at large?

You don't need to be a horrible person to make insensitive posts, it's a role played depending on environment and audience. I'm sure the 4channers among us aren't famous for trollish funposts on Facebook and LinkedIn.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Rust leadership tolerates harassment and threats as long as its against the right wing. One of Rust's top people wants to violently purge the tech community. https://archive.is/BtDaA

"right wing" or "far right wing". Remember we're talking about literal neo-nazis here, not just Conservatives.

No, we're not. We're talking about everything from center left libertarians to plain old conservatives. It is just that far left authoritarians call them nazis because that is the easiest way to dismiss people they disagree with.

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“The anti-fascists are the real fascists!” is a tired argument and it has been for more than 70 years, ever since that was said in actual Nazi Germany and the fascists proceeded to win.

Did anyone in Nazi Germany really claim that the anti-Nazis were the real Nazis or fascists or something? Sounds unlikely somehow.

No, in particular since neither national socialism nor fascism was a boogeyman then.

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But re-blogging content from AMAs seems at odds with Upvoted’s mission to produce original journalism, and many of the writers hired in October 2015 were let go just three months later

What a joke, a bunch of kids playing startup one more time in their favourite playground. Utter disgrace.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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I think much of Reddit's problems with its userbase boil down to an early failure to manage expectations. It's pretty clear that the Reddit corporation doesn't want Reddit to be an anything-goes, absolute free speech zone with no moderation or anti-harassment policies -- but that's what the site actually was for many years. Now, when the company cracks down, users think their freedoms are being curtailed. The mistake…

Reddit's main problem is that they spent years building their user base as a site to find 'jailbait' porn (it was by far the largest search result that brought people to Reddit for a long time). That created a toxic culture, which allowed stormfront and similar groups to use it as a recruitment ground for racists. Reddit still refuses to do anything about it. The 'quarantined' a bunch of truly vile subreddits but all…

Every single thing you said is incorrect. Reddit ranked high when searching for jailbait, that does not mean jailbait was the largest search that brought people to reddit. The "toxic culture" predates the jailbait sub. And stormfront does not recruit on reddit, reddit recruits for stormfront. The insane, dishonest, censorious leftism that runs rampant on reddit is driving people to become racist, and sexist, and homophobic, etc etc. If you are going to be accused of it no matter what, you tend to start resenting the people you are constantly accused of hating. And they ban subs that brigade. Quarantines kill subs constantly, it doesn't help them. Also many of the subs being punished are in no way vile. They are just too popular and not leftist.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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I think much of Reddit's problems with its userbase boil down to an early failure to manage expectations. It's pretty clear that the Reddit corporation doesn't want Reddit to be an anything-goes, absolute free speech zone with no moderation or anti-harassment policies -- but that's what the site actually was for many years. Now, when the company cracks down, users think their freedoms are being curtailed. The mistake…

>It will be difficult for Condé Nast to get its money's worth out of Reddit now. Condé Nast hasn't owned Reddit for half a decade now. Advance Publications owns both of them, and Reddit was split off as a separate entity with its own board and shareholders, one of which is Advance.

Well then that will make it even more difficult!

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That's not how it goes in practice. The fact that the people in that twitter thread endorse antifa shows that they are either ignorant of what antifa actually is (as opposed to what it claims to be), or they endorse an organisation that is more fascist than the fascists it purports to fight.

“The anti-fascists are the real fascists!” is a tired argument and it has been for more than 70 years, ever since that was said in actual Nazi Germany and the fascists proceeded to win.

Very similar to "anti identity politics leftists are the true leftists" which is probably relevant to this discussion.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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The main problem with Reddit is the users dishonesty to themselves. Ask a reddit user why they like reddit they'll probably mumble something about AMAs. Then visit /r/all and a completely different picture will be painted for you as the sites most popular content is a mixture of pornography, racist jokes passed off as being subversive and political ranting.

http://archive.is/uOTnv (grabbed latest thing from archive is, so like, 7 hours ago) There is... like, less than 10% matches what you describe and a AmA is in 10th position with near 5000 points

It is always amazing how consistently people will lie about what reddit is "full of" when anyone can just look at the site and see they are lying. Reddit is overflowing with BLM and islamic terrorist apologists, and we're supposed to believe reddit is all nazi KKK grand wizards.
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