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Re: Privilege and Inequality in Silicon Valley

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I feel like the majority of people make the mistake of reflecting on themselves and saying "if only I had this", or "if only I wasn't disadvantaged in this way"... In reality, everyone is disadvantaged in some way, and I can guarantee you that the successful people had a lot of disadvantages and setbacks. You shouldn't dwindle on what you don't have, but rather on what you do have. Successful people don't wait for th…

I'm not talking about reflection at all. AS you are going through your life you are very aware of the advantages other may have. When I was going to University I also had to 30 hours a week. While friends from wealthier families could spend their extra efforts studying. In the summer, I couldn't quit my crappy job to take an internship because I needed that job in the fall. And on holidays, while everyone is getting…

Had to work 30 hrs a week? So did I. But I look at that as a major advantage. The experience I acquired as well as the 'adulting' life skills gave me an incredible headstart over my peers, who think I was 'born lucky' to have those skills.

Re: Privilege and Inequality in Silicon Valley

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post #99

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You obviously have no idea what it's like to grow up poor. The fear, the guilt, the frustration, and the exhaustion that you learn almost as if through sheer osmosis from your parents. The author is not arguing that you literally cannot compete if you're poor. But it's the very mindset from growing up in poverty that, through almost every interaction you have in childhood, leads you to _believe_ that you cannot compe…

IMO terms like "mindset" and especially "self-confidence" tends to understate the scope and pervasiveness of what's going on. Even ignoring stuff like disease or nutrition, I'm willing to bet you could find population-level differences in all sorts of things like pre-conscious fight/flight response, stress hormone regulation, mental estimation of risk/impact, and all sorts of subtle weightings for social-standing and…

And in the field of epigenetics, findings that chronic stress or severe stress events impacts your offspring in ways generally agreed upon to be negative (ability to socialize, cope with challenges, etc.) before they're even born, before they're even conceived...

Re: Privilege and Inequality in Silicon Valley

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post #191

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it's all about luck Bullshit. Luck sure goes a long way, but so do working very, very hard and smart and making course corrections and constantly doing things people say will fail.

99% of the time, when you do something that lots of smart people say will fail, you fail. People look at that 1% and conclude that if you just keep whacking your head against a brick wall, it will eventually turn into gold, completely ignoring the combination of smarts, habits, and the sheer dumb luck that are actually behind success. But the gutters are full of ambitious failures.

Ambition != working hard and smart

Spoken like a critic. Not a producer. I know lots and lots of smart people who know how to criticize but not to create.

Re: Privilege and Inequality in Silicon Valley

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post #130

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> you're basically invisible. That's the point - being invisible is a privileged state . Black people are not invisible the US, where some people (not all) will inevitably treat them with suspicion (or worse).

> That's the point - being invisible is a privileged state. So compared to a rich, white expat in some African or Asian country, the typical resident of said country is privileged? Because in that country, compared to the expat, the resident is essentially invisible, and the white expat is decidedly not invisible. And many people will treat the expat with suspicion, or worse. Are all of those people "privileged", and…

> expat in some African or Asian country

There may have been some confusion as I apparently left out a word ("/in/ the US"). I'm only discussing privilege in the US.

I have no idea how these things work in Africa or Asia. Presumably there are similar situations in other countries, though that is a guess. Your scenario sounds reasonable - yes, the natives would have the privilege of starting with the "default" level of suspicion while the (white) foreigner has to overcome an extra scrutiny.

Privilege can be overcome. You specified a rich expat, and money can be a very effective way to make problems go away. However, a similarly rich native will probably have to spend somewhat less money in similar situations because of their privilege.

Re: Privilege and Inequality in Silicon Valley

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post #215

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Are you seriously saying that everyone's disadvantages are the same? Wow.

I think he's point is that there are also disadvantages of growing up under high income (of course it depends on parenting too). Too spoiled, cannot relate to ordinary people, etc. I seem to remember that many entrepreneurs are born to upper middle class parents. Not spoiled enough that they cannot work, but still fortunate to have a safe upbringing and be risk tolerant. (I do agree with you that people are born with…

Wealth is not a disadvantage. Period.

Re: Privilege and Inequality in Silicon Valley

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This article was very real, and I can’t help but identify with Ricky, and other stories I’ve read on here, but it’s not just in SV, it’s entrepreneurship in general, I thought I’d share my story as well:

I was born in Albania, a small, poor, European country with a GDP comparable to Zimbabwe, Namibia, or Sudan. That same year marked the fall of it's isolated strain of communism, and Albania's borders were opened for the first time since WW2. In the late 90s, after the collapse of its economy and ponzi schemes, social unrest reached its height following the violent murder of peaceful protesters by the government and police. This sparked an uprising and the government was toppled. The police and national guard deserted, leaving armories open, then looted by militia, and criminal gangs, with factions fighting in the streets to take control. My parents moved our beds to the hallway of our small apartment as there were no windows, and my little sister and I had to stay quiet so no one would hear we were there. After a UN operation, the government was restored, and the situation was relatively calm. Sometime that following summer, my dad found out about a US green card lottery, filled out an application form, and because he was in a hurry, handed it to a random stranger waiting in line to submit it for him. He then forgot about it, until a year later, when we got a letter telling us that we had won. My parent's weren't terribly off in Albania, they were comfortable, their friends, families were there, they had great jobs, and the future looked promising. But having just gone through that rebellion, then the Yugoslav Wars to the north trickling across the border, and the allure of the American Dream, they decided it would be best for my sister and I.

We moved to Philadelphia in 2000, in a working class neighborhood, with a few suitcases and not one word of English. My parents took on multiple jobs, their Albanian communist degrees were obviously not recognized in the US, so my dad, once a doctor, is still working maintenance, and shoveling snow in the East Coast, as I write this. Like Ricky said, and like all immigrant kids, my family depended on me to learn english and deal with translation, and everything in between. 5 years later when we became citizens, and received our passports, my parents knew more about American History than was taught in my inner-city high school.

My parents are incredibly supportive, but they moved to the US in their 40s, they weren’t familiar with the language, culture, and even more importantly capitalism. Apart from the classic model of education, they weren’t familiar with the tools required to be successful in such a strange place like this. But with their meager wages they were happy to support my hobbies, buy me lots of books, and a computer with internet access which taught me much more than my inner city schools.

Eventually I got a college degree, then went on to do a dual-masters in design and engineering at the Royal College of Art and Imperial College in London. I even got to go to Tokyo and work for Sony, while studying there. I graduated this past summer, and then launched my final group project as a startup in London with my friends, two English, Oxford educated engineers, and a Spanish designer/engineer who’s father is the president of one of the largest companies in the world.

Then reality sank in, I had to leave, I can’t be an entrepreneur just yet, and I moved to SV to find a high paying job in tech for the next 5-10 years, so that I can: a. afford to pay rent b. pay off my educational loans c. pay off my parent’s home d. help my sister pay for her education e. send some money home because my dad is getting too old to shovel snow

Re: Privilege and Inequality in Silicon Valley

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post #99

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IMO terms like "mindset" and especially "self-confidence" tends to understate the scope and pervasiveness of what's going on. Even ignoring stuff like disease or nutrition, I'm willing to bet you could find population-level differences in all sorts of things like pre-conscious fight/flight response, stress hormone regulation, mental estimation of risk/impact, and all sorts of subtle weightings for social-standing and…

And in the field of epigenetics, findings that chronic stress or severe stress events impacts your offspring in ways generally agreed upon to be negative (ability to socialize, cope with challenges, etc.) before they're even born, before they're even conceived...

> generally agreed upon to be negative

IMO it's worth being very careful in any genetic discussion (epi- or otherwise) before declaring an adaptation to be "negative", especially if it's probably the result of thousands or millions of years of "battle tested" evolutionary winnowing that we can't really see and appreciate. (For example, the side-bonus of sickle-cell anemia is resistance to malaria.)

At best we have to add a big load of qualifiers, e.g.: "For this group in this context during this infinitesimal slice of human history, it didn't seem to help."

Re: Privilege and Inequality in Silicon Valley

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post #251

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Or maybe it's just human nature to identify with those who possess similar qualities. This isn't "systemic racism/sexism", it's perfectly natural. Minorities often favor other minorities in their own circles, women definitely favor other women, but because they're in the minority the behavior somehow becomes ok. If people are upset about broken job interview processes, then maybe we should fix the fucking broken job…

Thanks for not denying that privilege exists, and for pointing out that some of it is likely due to the unconscious bias we can politely dub "human nature"! E.g. we hire people who look like us, even if they're not the best people for the job... You know, in situations like this I'm often reminded of that Upton Sinclair quote, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not u…

"hetero white dude,"

So just curious: what's with referring to men as "dudes" when you're trying to make points about inclusive behavior and language and such? I'm seeing this a lot, and this weird language tic really detracts from whatever point the person is making. You don't refer to women as "chicks," do you?

Re: Privilege and Inequality in Silicon Valley

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Nuance. Words are not sufficient to convey all things; some things take practice, not knowledge. You cannot learn to play a guitar merely by reading everything there is to know about playing music on a guitar and humans are far more complex than guitars.

But the guitar (or driving, or typing, or ...) practice isn't nuance so much as moving things from (slow) conscious thought to (fast) unconscious processing. The practice isn't about acquiring information, so much as it's about moving that information to a different internal subsystem.

It is about acquiring information, in the right place, the muscles that can actually handle all the nuance that's too much to think about and do correctly in real-time; people and culture are the same, no amount of reading will make you behave like a native, only time can do that and thus to the point of the thread, you can't learn it until you encounter it and practice a while. Intellectually thinking you know something isn't the same as actually knowing something that takes more than brains. What you know before practicing is wrong; practice is the actual learning and letting go of all the wrong stuff you knew.

At the root of this, you think all knowledge can be encoded in words and shared, and that's the problem, it isn't true. Many things cannot be shared via words, only experienced.

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