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Mozilla Will Stop Developing and Selling Firefox OS Smartphones

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Re: Mozilla Will Stop Developing and Selling Firefox OS Smartphones

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Post by kagamine »

niutech wrote: post #236
gutnor wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine a browser that has a privacy mode using tor ? Privacy in browser nowadays is privacy from your wife or kids, not privacy from anything on the server side. Seeing how hostile most of the western governments are toward privacy on the internet, that's probably not the best long term strategy for Mozilla though. They could quickly find themselves labelled terrorist organisation ( by mistake ) and have their accou…

Nonsense. Tor Browser is actually based on Mozilla Firefox and it has been alive for long. Nobody would be so mad to call the web browser vendor a terrorist organization.

Clearly you don't follow the UK news, the UK govt. have been toying with banning Tor (encryption in general) for a couple of years.

Here is a recent article about it http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/11/tor-should...

Re: Mozilla Will Stop Developing and Selling Firefox OS Smartphones

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Post by nitrogen »

nivla wrote: post #167
kybernetikos wrote: post #105

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I've been able to (and have done so) plug my android phone into a usb hub with mouse and keyboard and into a 1080p screen for quite a few years now. Of course, there's relatively little that truly takes advantage of that set up, and making the user experience more pleasant would make a huge difference, but android understands mouse and keyboard input just fine. Microsoft may be somewhat further along on this front, b…

>Microsoft may be somewhat further along on this front, but I don't think it's as much as you think - the apps that can run in this way are not full windows applications. But that is going to soon change as MS is working with Intel to launch Intel powered phones (x86). [1] Regardless of whether Windows phone succeeds or not, I believe the path they are taking will eventually be where all the OSes will end up. The say…

I like the docking concept, but you really can't trust input devices you don't own.

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Post by pjmlp »

benlower wrote: post #182
MawNicker wrote: post #77

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I suspect the Universal Windows Platform will have a significant impact. Especially the ability to dock your phone with an external display/keyboard/mouse. For a large portion of the market it displaces the need for a second computing device. Microsoft is much further along on this front than both Android and iOS.

Microsoft continues to shoot itself in the foot here. Nearly two years ago at BUILD they announced universal apps for Xbox One. A year later the new term, Universal Windows Platform (UWP), was being used and another promise of opening up Xbox to app developers. Xbox has yet to really open up for app devs. The second leg of UWP's 'write a single app and have it go everywhere' was mobile. We've all seen how that's been…

> Win32 is good enough so why would a developer port their app to UWP when the first two legs are either unavailable or have a very small install base of customers?

All the new APIs since Windows 8 are only available in WinRT.

For example, the upgrade path to MFC is XAML, which is only available for WinRT applications.

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Post by Certhas »

Omniusaspirer wrote: post #33
Certhas wrote: post #22

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But when they tried to pioneer privacy respecting ads in the new tab window, they were repeatedly and roundly criticised here, too...

"Pioneer"? Really? Is the bar so low now that embedding ads into the browser is considered innovative?

That's not what they did. They embedded targeted ads that respected your privacy, by having all targeting done client side and not sending information about you back to the server.

That the general public doesn't care about that is one thing, that all the people crtizising them here don't seem to care is another.

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Post by Certhas »

epoch1970 wrote: post #30
Certhas wrote: post #22

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But when they tried to pioneer privacy respecting ads in the new tab window, they were repeatedly and roundly criticised here, too...

That's not the kind of innovation that users want, nor is it the kind that they truly benefit from. In general, users don't want any ads at all showing in their browser. They don't want them as part of web pages, they don't want them embedded in videos, and they surely don't want them as part of the browser itself! This should have been obvious given the popularity of various ad-blocking extensions for Firefox. Going…

Sure.

And at one point people just wanted IE compatibility for their webpages to load.

If you accept that targeted ads are a part of the web eco system, then its absolutely within the remit of Mozillas mission to explore how to serve targeted ads while respecting privacy.

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Post by pritambarhate »

reddotX wrote: post #46
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #24

That's too bad but like everyone else said pretty obvious what the outcome would be. I wonder what a third player in the mobile OS market would look like and if it's even possible at this point. Microsoft is basically number 3 at this point, right? Yet they have so little market share that companies are activity leaving their marketplace. I wonder if the next mobile OS isn't an OS that requires apps to survive but, i…

Ubuntu Phone looks interesting and has great potential with the conergence

It will be good to know how resource hungry Ubuntu Touch OS is. That's one problem with Android. It requires a Hexa Core processor and 3GB RAM for super smooth performance. Almost all flagship Android devices have heating issues and they seem to need much bigger batteries than iOS devices.

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Post by Certhas »

cpeterso wrote: post #47
Certhas wrote: post #22

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But when they tried to pioneer privacy respecting ads in the new tab window, they were repeatedly and roundly criticised here, too...

Showing privacy-respecting ads in the browser does nothing to improve the state of the advertising on the Web itself.

I'm not saying they didn't make mistakes in the way they did this. If they had introduced a MozAdNetwork for websites that respects your privacy, they would not have faced that backlash in all likelihood.

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Post by zdkl »

I'm writing from my buggy, crashing ZTE Open C... And this is the final straw: I've had it Mozilla.

It's not me, it's you. You were the symbol of informatics progress in the right direction, but now you're just another pusher of one size fits all crapware. Hope this changes again because we need a good guy in this space.

Now to finally remove the slow, crashing behemoth that has become Firefox...

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