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France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, many individual people, not just "states", fear terrorists more than car accidents and while it's statistically irrational given the number of fatalities due to each cause at a normal year, there is something rational about it. Someone killing a hundred people who would gladly kill a hundred million if they could, and who's presumably constantly looking for a way to do it, is more frightening than a car acciden…

>but there can be and there more than once was a huge sudden increase in the amount of people killed by enemy combatants. Replace 'enemy combatants' with 'comets'. Do you still find your argument persuasive?

Well, it certainly makes the argument less persuasive because it doesn't fit with all the other parts. I think my original version is better.

In seriousness - actually comets are a lot like car accidents (if you believe that comets aren't actively trying to kill you), the only difference is the probability distribution (and you used the comet example because of the higher variance.)

Unlike those things, the success of an intelligent being trying to kill you cannot and should not be thought of as a probability distribution. It's not like a coin being tossed, in that a coin doesn't tend to get better at falling on one side or the other (nor do car accidents or comets get better at killing you, so they are more like coin tosses.)

It matters whether there's intelligence behind the cause or not; I'm surprised at how hard this point is to make at a forum occupied mostly by programmers.

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please calm down with the generalizations. 1. This is a leaked document, not an official one. 2. This would need to be adopted by the National Assembly, Senate, and Ethic Commission to be effective. 3. France didn't roll back on it's promise to accept Syrian refugees like others have done. Yes it is worrying, but everything is not black and white.

They did just voted in their equivalent of the Nazi party in the regional elections though so let's wait and see... Edit: correction... vote not over yet but it's not looking good.

As a follow up, their "equivalent of the Nazi party" was not elected in ANY region :)

Re: France looking at banning Tor, blocking public Wi-Fi

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The U.K. is already far beyond illiberal, but I can’t see Germany going this way. They’ve long been on the right side of the Internet, and I doubt they’ll have any need to do otherwise anytime soon.

German politicians and lobbyists are continuously pushing year after year. I fear the public losing interest in opposition.

I’m more concerned that most people may never hear or even care about their dwindling online freedoms. I found an article over at https://lobste.rs that drives this point home, if a bit melodramatically: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/pirate-bay-founder-peter-su...
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