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Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by andrewaylett »

morganvachon wrote: post #258
JoshM33k wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those types of fragmentation issues never went away, they just changed focus. Whether it is Slack vs. Hipchat vs. Zulip, or WhatsApp vs. iMessage vs. text vs. Hangouts... more options means more (and easier!) ways to contact friends, family, and coworkers, but also means that you have to memorize a "best way to reach me" chart for each individual person.

It would be nice if the iOS and Android built-in Contacts apps had better support/integration for all the various messaging apps that work on their respective platforms. Rather than trying to remember who uses which services, their contact card could simply contain the entire roster of their services and usernames, and you could initiate a conversation in that service from within the contact card. I know you can do t…

That they don't on Android is due to the app, not the platform - if the client adds contact integration, it gets listed in the contact's card. Lync, of all things, is a good example of this. I'm pretty sure Skype does too.

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by alkonaut »

Has anyone switched workplace chat from skype to something else? I don't much like the chat bits in Skype but on the other hand the voice bit is fantastic. I can't imagine having to manage two separate contact lists for chat and voice, so I'm reluctant to switch to something that doesn't have good voice or integrates with something that has (e.g. launch group call from a chat conversation).

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by hermanradtke »

jwheare2 wrote: post #247
rikkus wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it possible to get what Slack provides using IRC? I mean the whole package, not just the text chat. Consider enterprise-friendliness, excellent mobile clients, zero-setup required (no separate keep-you-online relays), really easy integrations, etc.? We are adopting Slack because it's great and I'd have loved to make a case for IRC but I wouldn't know what server to recommend (we don't really want to install it, bu…

Any reason you rejected IRCCloud? (disclosure: my company). We host private servers for teams and do the majority of what you're asking for.

I don't use it because I want to use my own irc client and not a web interface. I want ZNC as a service.

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by andreyf »

CydeWeys wrote: post #263
dave_sullivan wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree in principal that the politics behind a business matter. But why focus on Dropbox? Rice teaches at Stanford too, why not boycott Stanford and anything coming out of it?

There's a big difference in scope and impact between merely teaching somewhere and being on the Board of Directors and running it. It's not equivalent.

She was Provost there from '93 to '99, which is a little more than teaching [1]. I think that while her willingness to go with the Bush administration's extremist positions (on torture and surveillance, especially) are a dark mark on her career, Dropbox is worth dropping for wholly different reasons (e.g. technical incompetence [2]) than who is on their board.

1. "As the chief academic and chief budgetary officer of the University, the Provost is responsible for administering the academic program, including both instruction and research, and for the coordination of the administrative and support functions of the University with its academic purposes." (https://provost.stanford.edu/)

2. http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Dropbox-Accidentally-Turne...

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by CydeWeys »

andreyf wrote: post #274
CydeWeys wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a big difference in scope and impact between merely teaching somewhere and being on the Board of Directors and running it. It's not equivalent.

She was Provost there from '93 to '99, which is a little more than teaching [1]. I think that while her willingness to go with the Bush administration's extremist positions (on torture and surveillance, especially) are a dark mark on her career, Dropbox is worth dropping for wholly different reasons (e.g. technical incompetence [2]) than who is on their board. 1. "As the chief academic and chief budgetary officer of…

To be fair, though, her provost tenure there was before her tenure in the Bush administration, where her most egregious acts took place. You can't blame them retroactively for not knowing what a monster she would reveal herself to be in the future.

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by jcw90210 »

sytse wrote: post #159
tabbott wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to clarify, most users of Zulip were using the central cloud service (zulip.com). Kevin's experience is from one of the Zulip customers who had "Zulip Enterprise" (aka a Zulip server in their own data center -- which is also the basis of the "self-hosted production server" installation process you see now is based on). So "turning it off" in this case refers to their discussions about their internal deployment,…

Thanks! If I read https://www.recurse.com/blog/90-zulip-supporting-oss-at-the-... correctly Dropbox has helped to open source it but will not dedicate engineers to it. In that case it is interesting that you'll have to sign a Dropbox CLA to contribute https://github.com/zulip/zulip#contributing-to-zulip . But even with that, the code is under Apache 2, it is great that Dropbox took the time to properly document every…

yes, please! really like to see that

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by morganvachon »

andrewaylett wrote: post #271
morganvachon wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be nice if the iOS and Android built-in Contacts apps had better support/integration for all the various messaging apps that work on their respective platforms. Rather than trying to remember who uses which services, their contact card could simply contain the entire roster of their services and usernames, and you could initiate a conversation in that service from within the contact card. I know you can do t…

That they don't on Android is due to the app, not the platform - if the client adds contact integration, it gets listed in the contact's card. Lync, of all things, is a good example of this. I'm pretty sure Skype does too.

I wasn't aware of that, thank you. I haven't used an Android phone in a while.

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by rakoo »

ljk wrote: post #7
paste0x78 wrote: post #3

2015 The year of the chat clients

https://xkcd.com/927/

The worst part is, all those systems (we can't say clients anymore) don't even try to standardize anything. Which is understandable, because they feel like they're improving the usability situation. All they do is provide bridges to other solutions, but that's not helping on the protocol side.

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by dave_sullivan »

CydeWeys wrote: post #263
dave_sullivan wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree in principal that the politics behind a business matter. But why focus on Dropbox? Rice teaches at Stanford too, why not boycott Stanford and anything coming out of it?

There's a big difference in scope and impact between merely teaching somewhere and being on the Board of Directors and running it. It's not equivalent.

I disagree. As a professor at Stanford, she's teaching the future rulers of the world how to rule. At Dropbox, she's showing up to board meetings and taking a salary.

Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip

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Post by anentropic »

shanemhansen wrote: post #95
JoshM33k wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those types of fragmentation issues never went away, they just changed focus. Whether it is Slack vs. Hipchat vs. Zulip, or WhatsApp vs. iMessage vs. text vs. Hangouts... more options means more (and easier!) ways to contact friends, family, and coworkers, but also means that you have to memorize a "best way to reach me" chart for each individual person.

Every week I have to use a Cisco jabber client, Hipchat, Slack, and Hangouts within the same company. I know it's got less of a "cool" factor because it wasn't invented last week, but I soooo wish everyone would just use IRC. Use irccloud if you want some nice apps and picture embedding.

you wish everyone would use the worse option?
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