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Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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If true, this is totally psychopathic behavior.

Not really, the recruiters are just incentivized to bring in candidates.

And, let's stipulate that Google's a good company - there are going to be a bad apple here and there. I had to ask my friend who was a senior-director at GOOG to mark me as "do not contact" in their recruiting database to get them to stop calling/emailing me.

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For a period I was heavily recruited by google. Their recruiters tried a great many variations of attempts to trick me into interviewing for a job. It seems weird that they would do this, because pretty soon, it would become obvious that it was a job interview and nothing more. Maybe there are a lot of talented engineers out there who are doing startups but aren't really committed to them and google manages via the f…

> Worse, once I'd eventually figure out what was going on, and put one of them off of me, a few weeks later another would show up, with another variation.

Start collecting pseudonyms and storylines in a github repo? This could make for an entertaining movie script, where a Skynet-like company uses advanced surveillance technology to triage a talent pipeline.

Startups encounter a random obstacle course and are only recruited after clearing a statistical threshold of surviving economIc warfare. When a candidate says no, they are moved to a different level of the game. All the while, the recruiting algos grow smarter as they generate new startup obstacles and observe how the talent responds.

The Exam experimented with this concept, http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bkdt2Sygew0

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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manages via the fame of its name [. . .] What I experienced was less heinous but had the same elements- misrepresentation, name dropping I think the original author should name everyone involved. I understand why he didn't, but people can only get away with this shit because they do it anonymously and no one talks to each other. This is a much less extreme example, but years ago my former landlord threatened to kill…

This tangent might sound mean but I often wished there was some glassdoor-like site or startup for shaming bad behavior, especially lying. Starting with rental agents. If you stuck to reporting facts, how would that put you in danger?

Why hasn't anyone sued glassdoor?

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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Are you a lawyer? Their terms of service[0] and privacy policy[1] appear to give them pretty broad leeway: "When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content w…

> I could easily argue that spying on your email in order to gain advantages in acquisitions or hiring could be justified for "improving [their] Services" or "to develop new ones". You would lose in front of virtually any judge if you argued that.

Are you a lawyer? I'm not, so I don't know.

What part of their T&C (or existing law?) prevents Google from reading your email?

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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Are you a lawyer? Their terms of service[0] and privacy policy[1] appear to give them pretty broad leeway: "When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content w…

T&Cs aren't always legally enforceable though right?

Is there existing law that prevents Google from reading your email? You're willingly transmitting data through their service, and my understanding is that email service providers are not "common carriers" in the manner of the post office or a phone company.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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It's a scam because the author didn't believe there was any 'acqui' part of the 'acqui-hire'. He believed the proposition of an acquisition was a fabrication intended to lure him in for an interview.

$2M as part of a signing bonus seems like an "acqui" to me. It just wasn't enough for the author. Which is fine, but not exactly as much of a scam as he implied. This article just seems to be a real world example of PG's essay this month about "don't talk to corp dev." [1] [1] http://paulgraham.com/corpdev.html

it's not a scam in the sense of an illegal scam, but it certainly is trying to prey on someone who might not know better.

If you are a lone engineer, but is capable of making a successful app, you have a certain aptitude for programming. This is useful to google. The recruiter is making a bet that this lone engineer is not business savvy enough to know how much their true worth is, and if the bet worked, google would've been able to low-ball hire a really good engineer. They failed this time, but you don't hear about the times this strategy succeeds, because those 'acqui-hires' might've even been celebrated by the "victim" as success!

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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I've been feeling for a while now, software developers need agents. I only talk to one recruiter. If I want a particular job I know is going I will direct him to it and he will handle any side lining from other recruiters. Works a treat.

Hi. we're working on this. can you imagine what, if any, part of this could be done purely online? what would your top three features be? (in an actual, online agent, actually on your side.)

I can think of a few things. I've recently been on both sides of the table here. Found my job a year and a half ago, interviewing candidates for a junior now.

First off, I can see how you might miss out on a lot of potential clients because you don't know just how good they are. You could reduce this miss rate by getting good at fishing out details from people you approach or who approach you. Even be prepared to write their resumes. I'd recommend having a technical person on staff to assist with the buzzword bingo and alphabet soup.

Second, a lot of people simply might not know how to negotiate a job search, but wouldn't really be lucrative enough to chase as clients. By-the-hour consulting might turn into a decent revenue stream. Then they can come to you in a few years when they are ready to chase the big bucks.

Third, there's a lot of wishful thinking out there that causes seekers to not chase or turn down perfectly good jobs because of that haunting vision of landing that whopper $120K+ job. (in Atlanta) Being able to tactfully talk them into a perfectly good $85K job could work out well for both of you. I've seen lots of really good guys strike out interviewing for those unicorn jobs because the company has ridiculously selective criteria. I know a guy holding out for $110K but doesn't want to go where he could legitimately make that money with his skills, e.g. a Java shop. He spent down his savings and told me it's going to hurt pretty soon if he doesn't find one soon.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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This tangent might sound mean but I often wished there was some glassdoor-like site or startup for shaming bad behavior, especially lying. Starting with rental agents. If you stuck to reporting facts, how would that put you in danger?

Why hasn't anyone sued glassdoor?

Glassdoor heavily cooperates with companies to take down reviews that are too negative or specific.

Also, anyone can post reviews, which the companies take advantage of. We had an HR person at my previous company whose job responsibilities included posting one positive (4-5 star) review of the company per week on Glassdoor and similar sites. As you can imagine, doing so is a much cheaper way of dealing with negative reviews than suing the websites.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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A lot of recruiters at Google are temps and will lie through they're teeth in order to get candidates interested. Google still has a reputation of being an amazing workplace. This, however, is becoming less and less true. Just last week Victoria Lease resigned after months of sexual harassment without any consequence for the perpetrators. There are much better places to work for then Google these days. Disclaimer: I…

> Just last week Victoria Lease resigned after months of sexual harassment without any consequence for the perpetrators. I find this hard to believe because if you are smart enough to work at Google then you should be smart enough to know your rights. If the harassment is persistent and comes from multiple perpetrators then she can build a timeline to show HR, a lawyer, or the EEOC.

>>if you are smart enough to work at Google then you should be smart enough to know your rights.

You're making several assumptions here that are not necessarily founded on reality.

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