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Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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derefr wrote: post #244
booruguru wrote: post #172

This is ridiculous. It's bad enough that people are downvoted for contrarian opinions, but now our comments need to be vetted by the elite HN users before they can be shown to the rest. I don't get it. This site looks like something made in 1996 (with absolutely no regard for readability), but the big new upgrade we're getting is a draconian (and wholly unnecessary) comment moderation feature/policy? A lot of HN user…

There's this attitude I see a lot, that I think started with Digg, then attached itself to Reddit, that a community should A. be about whatever its users want it to be about, and B. be free to join. These principles are usually claimed to be somehow representative of "democracy." Together, however, these principles will invariably mean that the "community" will be reduced to a snapshot of the world-at-large, as new o…

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Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by JeremyNT »

cperciva wrote: post #19

Someone who has a pending comment will have to wait till it goes live to post another. We're hoping that good comments will get endorsed so quickly that there won't be a noticeable delay. Is there some timeout? If not, commenting on a several-day-old thread will guarantee that you can never post another comment, since once threads drop off the front page it's not likely that many 1000+ karma users will even see those…

Perhaps add the ability for a poster to retract his orher pending comments? You could add a mandatory waiting period to prevent abuse.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by pg »

yajoe wrote: post #199

This is an interesting feature, and certainly not something I would have expected as the "next" feature to add. When I read "pending comments" I expected something similar to slashdot's old "preview" feature so one could double-check spelling, formatting, etc. i.e. preview the post before submitting to HN. I would not have expected "pending" to mean "pending moderation " given the successful voting feature here. I wo…

It wouldn't limit criticism of YC. A comment only needs a few people to endorse it to become visible. To suppress comments on any specific topic would require all the users with over 1000 karma to agree not to endorse them, which is hard to imagine.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by tptacek »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #240
yeukhon wrote: post #182

I think this is a horrible decision. I've never seen this work. My biggest objection is based on the fact I have to wait for someone to endorse my comment. I post a lot of comments here, regularly. Some of them get hot and turn into a linked-list O(n) depth tree... I also post during time when few people are around. By the time I want to say something interesting and hope someone can engage with me my comment would b…

I think one compromise could be to remove this restriction from users with > x karma. It's not ideal to me but it is something ...

A bad comment is a bad comment whether I write it or a green-named user does. Jerkface.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by Mindless2112 »

This type of feature is exactly the reason I don't participate in StackOverflow. Granted, pending-comment is better than can't-comment.

That said, I expect this will save me hours of my life since I expect that I won't bother to write comments once this is in effect (and as an added bonus, there should be less comments to read). I tried noprocrast and couldn't handle it, but this will do it.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by rdl »

pg wrote: post #231
japhyr wrote: post #225

When I endorse a comment, does that also upvote the comment? Or is voting completely separate from endorsing?

Separate. Endorsing just means you think a comment is substantial, not that you agree with it.

So one might endorse a substantial comment which is incorrect just so one can downvote it for being wrong.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by pg »

hamburglar wrote: post #218
pg wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is exactly what happens.

Will the comment actually disappear completely, or will it just go into a state where nobody else can see it? It seems like it is 1) useful to be able to see your comments that never got endorsed (to let people build a mental model of what makes the cut and what doesn't), and 2) less confusing than just having stuff mysteriously disappear.

People who can see pending comments (= those who can endorse them) will always be able to see them. They just won't be endorsable after a day.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by ghshephard »

alexcroox wrote: post #221
booruguru wrote: post #172

This is ridiculous. It's bad enough that people are downvoted for contrarian opinions, but now our comments need to be vetted by the elite HN users before they can be shown to the rest. I don't get it. This site looks like something made in 1996 (with absolutely no regard for readability), but the big new upgrade we're getting is a draconian (and wholly unnecessary) comment moderation feature/policy? A lot of HN user…

Agreed, if the "elite" don't agree with your differing opinion then it will never be heard. When has that type of dictatorship ever worked out well... I agree about choosing this for new functionality, if you are going to improve comments why not first start with notifications. Currently I'll make a comment and 10 people may reply but I'll have no idea unless I actively look through my own comments, which I might do…

The first thing I do each day (or couple times a day) is click on my name/comments to see if someone has said something interesting in response to a post of mine.

In fact, if the responses are interesting enough - I may never actually look at anything else on HN unless it appears in my RSS feed (filtered to topics > 100 points).

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by carlosdp »

pg wrote: post #28
cperciva wrote: post #19

Someone who has a pending comment will have to wait till it goes live to post another. We're hoping that good comments will get endorsed so quickly that there won't be a noticeable delay. Is there some timeout? If not, commenting on a several-day-old thread will guarantee that you can never post another comment, since once threads drop off the front page it's not likely that many 1000+ karma users will even see those…

Hmm, trust cperciva to find the thing I'd overlooked. I'll add a pending page that collects pending comments. Maybe that will solve the problem.

How about making the pending comments scoped to a thread? That way, no one can get locked out of commenting completely, but they can't make a bunch of bad comments on a certain thread if they violated the rules once.
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