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Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

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Re: Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

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Post by nileshtrivedi »

jasonlingx wrote: post #242
FD3SA wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heartily believe there's a market for both. Compare a Macbook Pro with a custom built Linux desktop. The MBP is very user friendly, plug n play, and has very little customization capacity. The custom Linux desktop is an absolute tinkerer's paradise, with everything from hardware to software being open for customization. The car equivalent of these used to exist for daily drivers, but are now relegated mainly to clo…

> Compare a Macbook Pro with a custom built Linux desktop. The MBP is very user friendly, plug n play, and has very little customization capacity. The custom Linux desktop is an absolute tinkerer's paradise, with everything from hardware to software being open for customization. It's not fair to say Macs are less customizable or less of a tinkerer's paradise just because they are more user friendly.

I think it's fair to say that. In my opinion, Linux wins on kernel configuration options alone. Would you like a tickless kernel? Soft real-time? Hard real-time? A different scheduler, may be?

Re: Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

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Post by secabeen »

oh_sigh wrote: post #252
GauntletWizard wrote: post #129

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I'm sorry, but no. No, most manufacturers update processes aren't actually secure in any meaningful way. Tesla's OTA process seems to use (I've not checked it myself) web standards, encryption, and signatures to verify that the OTA update is correct. The "Physical ethernet cable" that is used by traditional manufacturers can be done by any hobo on the street, in pretty much the same time. It's really only a matter of…

Source please regarding teslas OTA process.

Here's a pretty good summary from someone who sniffed the WiFi traffic from a Tesla doing an OTA update: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/22294-Sniffing...

Re: Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

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Post by zem »

SurfScore wrote: post #198

Our stores will transition to being galleries, where you can see the car and ask questions of our staff, but we will not be able to discuss price or complete a sale in the store. However, that can still be done at our Manhattan store just over the river in Chelsea or our King of Prussia store near Philadelphia. "Cross an imaginary line a few miles down the road that the auto dealers can't access and everything will b…

the entire modern geopolitical setup is based on complicated networks of imaginary lines.

Re: Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

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Post by ghshephard »

maratd wrote: post #229
grellas wrote: post #211

Paternalistic meddling with free consumer choices is always fraught with peril. Sometimes it is necessary to protect important principles in society. You can't discriminate based on race - that limits choice but who would support the contrary? You can't defraud people in selling products - ditto. You can't buy land to build a smokestack plant in a quiet residential neighborhood - ditto. Many other examples might be c…

While I agree with the spirit of your post and that of Mr. Musk, there's something missing here. Contrary to Mr. Musk's assertion of conspiracy, what seems to have happened here is that there were some unfortunate laws on the books that weren't being enforced. Various business interests (ie the car dealers) complained to the Motor Vehicle Commission. The MVC created a new regulation to reflect the laws already on the…

There are all sorts of laws on the books that we've agreed are idiotic and are no longer enforced. It's up to the executive to determine which those ones are, and, as time progresses, some laws become so outdated that no rational minded person would ever think of enforcing them.

What if the law had suggested that Office and Automotive equipment could not be sold directly (perhaps harkening back to a time when the Large Automotive and Office Equipment resellers had built up their distributorship); are you seriously suggesting that means Apple Stores should have been shut down in New Jersey?

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Post by bennyg »

jasonlingx wrote: post #242
FD3SA wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heartily believe there's a market for both. Compare a Macbook Pro with a custom built Linux desktop. The MBP is very user friendly, plug n play, and has very little customization capacity. The custom Linux desktop is an absolute tinkerer's paradise, with everything from hardware to software being open for customization. The car equivalent of these used to exist for daily drivers, but are now relegated mainly to clo…

> Compare a Macbook Pro with a custom built Linux desktop. The MBP is very user friendly, plug n play, and has very little customization capacity. The custom Linux desktop is an absolute tinkerer's paradise, with everything from hardware to software being open for customization. It's not fair to say Macs are less customizable or less of a tinkerer's paradise just because they are more user friendly.

My guess is he was talking about the retina MBPs that are impossible to change RAM on and damn near impossible to do anything else with.

Re: Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

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Post by ericd »

protomyth wrote: post #138
ericd wrote: post #100

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I think it does a good job of reminding everyone that there's a trend of corruption in his opponent's administration, which is a pretty useful political trick.

Elon Musk is not running for governor of NJ, so viewing it as "a trend of corruption in his opponent's administration" is not advisable. The other problem with this is that the Gov is still has popular support and Mr. Musk probably negatively influenced those people. Further, making this an actual political fight is really not something Mr. Musk should be looking towards because their is a fair amount of material the…

I think you may have misunderstood my comment, they're only political opponents in the sense that Musk wants to rally Christie's constituents to push back on this decision, and the battle is over public policy. Of course Musk isn't running.

Christie has a lot more to lose by his constituents seeing a bad trend in Christie's record than Musk has by any personal character attacks Christie could send back his way. Musk's job certainly isn't in any danger from bad things coming out about him in NJ.

Re: Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

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Post by Bluestrike2 »

vampirechicken wrote: post #245
mathattack wrote: post #231

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New Jersey has a lot of these strange laws. They also force you to have full service at the gas station. The lobbies force the issue.

The last time I was in NJ, the full-service gas there was the same price as the self-serve in suburban NY. Maybe that's changed, but given the hug number of commuters in NJ, I conclude it likely that holy hell would have been raised of full-serve was significantly more expensive.

Those low prices are largely because NJ has some of the lowest gas taxes in the country (48th) whereas NY has the highest.

Re: Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

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Post by ValG »

This just got reposted on the NPR site, it's highly relevant and timely along with this law and Elon's response:

http://pcasts.in/9Ruq?

In it, some argue that "A no haggle, painless car buying experience will eventually come; but it won't be without your local dealers"

I wouldn't be so sure. As Elon states, the fundamentals of the industry haven't changed in quite a while. He's approaching it from one direction (The cars/manufacturing and sale of new cars), and others (like myself and partners) are going directly after the used car Buying/Selling process. Our goal is to make it as easy as possible for Sellers/Buyers to transact. Check us out here:

http://www.instamotor.com/

Re: Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

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Post by marincounty »

mathattack wrote: post #231
grellas wrote: post #211

Paternalistic meddling with free consumer choices is always fraught with peril. Sometimes it is necessary to protect important principles in society. You can't discriminate based on race - that limits choice but who would support the contrary? You can't defraud people in selling products - ditto. You can't buy land to build a smokestack plant in a quiet residential neighborhood - ditto. Many other examples might be c…

New Jersey has a lot of these strange laws. They also force you to have full service at the gas station. The lobbies force the issue.

I once had a sweet, innocent, virgin girlfriend who was raised in New Jersey. She arrived in Califirnia, and We started to go out. As I got to know her--I saw the New Jersey upbringing peak out. I started slowly. Her major in college changed to business. She believed it was O.k. to cheat in order to pass a test. She believed it was just fine to step on people to get ahead. She would make a sandwich, after sex, and always give me the smaller half. Oh yea, she really didn't care about the homeless, animals, or anyone other than herself and mom. At first--I just thought she was young and naive, but after awhile I think New Jersey rubbed off? I always thought what I would say to her if I ran into her. I think it would be, "Let's go to France and live out The last Tango in Paris, without the fingernail scene, and the gunshot." Yea--She had a body that was well spectacular.
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