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DigitalOcean Raises $37.2M From Andreessen Horowitz to Take on AWS

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Re: DigitalOcean Raises $37.2M From Andreessen Horowitz to Take on AWS

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No matter where I go, the prices don't get any better than they do in OVH. A 240 GB SSD (2 X 120), quad core, 32 GB RAM, unlimited bandwidth for just $60/month?

I'm with OVH.

I like them and they are cheap but if your server fails then it can take hours to days getting back online.

Re: DigitalOcean Raises $37.2M From Andreessen Horowitz to Take on AWS

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If you shut down your server you lose the data that was stored on the local drives, no different to DO. If you shut down your droplet on DO you lose the data stored on the local drives (in fact DO now scrubs the disks on shutdown after a recent security screw-up). The only difference is that most folk on AWS use EBS storage (something which DO still doesn't offer) which allows you to have drives which can continue to…

When you say shutdown are talking about issuing commands from the command line like 'shutdown now' or 'reboot'? Because with Digital Ocean you DO NOT lose your data when you issue those commands. I know from experience.

Terminate in EC2 is basically the same as the Destroy call of DO. In both cases you will destroy the data stored locally. Rebooting an EC2 instance will not result in data loss, same as DO.

Re: DigitalOcean Raises $37.2M From Andreessen Horowitz to Take on AWS

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The DMCA prescribes a dispute policy, that allows the accused to refute the evidence provided by the accusers. I've seen numerous complaints indicating that Digital Ocean abides no such policies. http://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digitalocean...

> The DMCA prescribes a dispute policy, that allows the accused to refute the evidence provided by the accusers. No, it doesn't. The DMCA provides both a safe harbor for hosts against infringement liability (the take down notice procedure) and a safe harbor for hosts against any liability they might have for taking down content (the counter-notice procedure), but neither of these procedures are strictly mandatory, th…

Your conclusion is wrong.

If a host does not follow the entire OCILLA playbook in every case, unconditionally, across the board, the host no longer qualifies for any safe harbor whatsoever. Then it's open season on copyright violations. Think $400,000 per song style open season.

The real liability threat remains third parties, not customers, and disregarding the prescribed counter procedure is handing them the keys to the bank. If you see a host playing fast and loose with the rules, for example your content not being restored in 10 to 14 days after counter notice with no further action, it's time to go after their registered agent.

Re: DigitalOcean Raises $37.2M From Andreessen Horowitz to Take on AWS

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I really appreciate your comment. I feel really dumb for not knowing that. I always assumed the worst. Want to reboot and instance to just check the init process?... can't do that on Amazon. I'll pick a different platform. I was way off base. That being said, do they dump your instance if they reboot the physical server? I was under the impression that "Oh we want to upgrade they hypervisor kernel, your instance is t…

Eh, don't feel dumb. I can't really claim it's totally unambiguous and not confusing. Rebooting the physical server should only reboot your instance.

Rebooting the physical server does only reboot your instance. The your instance is toast thing is for hardware failure.

Re: DigitalOcean Raises $37.2M From Andreessen Horowitz to Take on AWS

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Don't write about the owner's golf buddies either. https://vpsexperience.wordpress.com/ An odd experience, I would say.

Regardless of the truthiness of this blogpost, their ToS actually includes this gem (repeated twice actually, due to poor editing): 3.13 Subscribers may not use the Services in a manner that would violate the lawful privacy rights of any person, ... or embarrass, which shall be determined in DigitalOcean’s sole and absolute discretion. So... if someone gets embarrassed by what you put up, DO just decides to take it d…

Their lawyers have not yet taught them that decisions about content make one a content provider instead of a hosting provider, and all the wonderful protections in OCILLA/DMCA vanish into thin air.

I'm sure they will get that eventually. Maybe after they learn to scrub customer storage in every case (not just enough to sweep the issue under the rug) so that droplets aren't immediately compromised on termination.

In case that wasn't clear to you, DO puts their drive wear ahead of your data. There are still multiple endpoints in the API that will leak your data to other customers. They fix some cases of it every now and then, then revert without telling anyone once they see the impact on their SMART metrics. When sneak called them out they wrote an entirely fabricated blog post. That incident resulted in a published CVE in libcloud earlier this year but of course nobody gives a shit, throw more VC at them!

Re: DigitalOcean Raises $37.2M From Andreessen Horowitz to Take on AWS

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Broken DigitalOcean promises: IPv6 in Q4 2012: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/is-ipv6-ava... Ability to boot own kernel ("2-3 weeks from Feb 2013"): https://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digital-oce...

Completely agree with you, we definitely broke a few promises. We ran into this problem because we were used to our development cycle that we had in 2012, but in 2013 our growth really took off and we spent most of our time working on scaling challenges. That unfortunately pushed us back on a lot of different timelines. Now that we've grown the company from 5 people to over 50 and with this latest round we're finally…

The other one that you really need to fix to access larger markets is having multiple users per accounts. Eventually you need roles as well, but just the simple fact of setting up multiple email accounts on one droplet account is a barebones necessity for any sensible customer that consists of more than a handful of people... According to a thread somewhere you announced that this would be done sometime in 2012, but it still isn't...

Re: DigitalOcean Raises $37.2M From Andreessen Horowitz to Take on AWS

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> The DMCA prescribes a dispute policy, that allows the accused to refute the evidence provided by the accusers. No, it doesn't. The DMCA provides both a safe harbor for hosts against infringement liability (the take down notice procedure) and a safe harbor for hosts against any liability they might have for taking down content (the counter-notice procedure), but neither of these procedures are strictly mandatory, th…

Your conclusion is wrong. If a host does not follow the entire OCILLA playbook in every case, unconditionally, across the board, the host no longer qualifies for any safe harbor whatsoever. Then it's open season on copyright violations. Think $400,000 per song style open season. The real liability threat remains third parties, not customers, and disregarding the prescribed counter procedure is handing them the keys t…

If you see a host playing fast and loose with the rules, for example your content not being restored in 10 to 14 days after counter notice with no further action, it's time to go after their registered agent.

Under what grounds? Taking down your content isn't violating your copyright. If they lose their safe harbor status, some future copyright holder could sue them, but I don't see how you could.

Re: DigitalOcean Raises $37.2M From Andreessen Horowitz to Take on AWS

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No because hosts on 1/10th of the budget are doing these things already. I have great hope for http://bigv.io but they're not quite there yet.

Thanks dude, working on it and I'm really happy with the core after two years of building and testing. We've just finished building our own data centre, a nice steady influx of customers are buoying us up, and we recently hired two new developers to fix up our various front-ends. It's definitely looking more presentable by the week.

It looks interesting but as a potential customer, here are the my thoughts going through it (feel free to ignore me, I know you didn't ask):

- The site doesn't look good on my Retina MacBook Pro, mainly due to the extensive use of low resolution images for things like gradients and text (I don't understand that at all).

- Only pricing is in GBP, it'd be nice to have something else as a reference (a little "roughly $16 USD" in brackets would be nice)

- Straight up asks for my full address and phone number, without stating a reason why they're necessary or how they're used

- Takes me to a payment page and asks for my credit card number on a plain looking page served with a Class 1 SSL certificate (no organization validation) and again, with no indication how it'll be used

I was actually looking to give it a try after filling the address fields and phone number with "Nopenopenope" but lost it at the (subjectively) dodgy looking payment page.

A redesign and some explanations on signup pages would do you a lot of good I think :)

Re: DigitalOcean Raises $37.2M From Andreessen Horowitz to Take on AWS

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DigitalOcean are dishonest with their customers. It's sad to see such a reputable firm throw in with people known to be liars.

It would be good if you can elaborate your point and back it up otherwise just saying this doesn't inspire much confidence.

Probably about this lie: https://k0nsl.org/blog/digitalocean-no-customer-data-was-lea...

Re: DigitalOcean Raises $37.2M From Andreessen Horowitz to Take on AWS

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Do they have IPv6 yet? What about actual security too? Maybe they'll stop the censorship if they want to be a real VPS player? ( https://vpsexperience.wordpress.com/ ) Oh, and I wish they'd use real industry terms, not stuff like 'Droplet'. That's just stupid. Right now, anyone at all who aren't GoDaddy or Network Solutions are better than Digital Ocean. You get what you pay for (AWS excepted, who are price gouging).…

Happy Linode customer, who gets hacked constantly and lies about it... Hmmmmmmmmm....
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