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Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by jcromartie »

mschaecher wrote: post #163
GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

The three cars I've owned in my lifetime all had 90% physical controls, with a small little digital screen that would display something like the radio station you're on, the temp, the strength of air, treble/bass, etc, etc. There was absolutely zero tactile feedback on all of them, as their were dedicated buttons that had to be cycled through to reach a state....and the only way you could know if you were getting to…

This is a fundamental mistake of UI design that will just keep being repeated forever in favor of "clean" design.

The word for what is missing from these interfaces is "affordances": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordance

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by jcromartie »

selectodude wrote: post #259
driverdan wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But DSG isn't a traditional auto. It's still clutch based, you just don't control the clutch yourself.

Automatic transmissions have a clutch that's operated automatically. DSGs have two clutches for quicker gear changes. That's the only major difference.

Standard automatic transmissions don't have a clutch disc. They have a torque converter.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by testrecord »

jobu wrote: post #256

Hopefully it works with mapping apps other than Apple's. Not only are the directions often questionable, the app has a terrible user experience. I don't need to be told five times that I should be turning left while I'm waiting at a long stoplight. It's also a pain to see what's coming up in the route.

They say that it supports other apps. I'm sure that one of the many other GPS app makers will release a carplay app like they did for iPhone.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by lostlogin »

MaintainPrice wrote: post #149
lostlogin wrote: post #68

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Why do you say they are increasing? I paid the same for my 5s as I paid for my 4. Thats a decrease after inflation. Macs are much cheaper than they used to be.

Depends on the country. In the USA the launch price has held steady since the iPhone 4, but everywhere else the off-contract price has been steadily increasing. It's now $720 in Canada. Same with some of the Macs (e.g. Mac mini jumps around during the rare refresh)

I'm in New Zealand and it isn't increasing. Neither are Mac prices. Our dollar is increasing in value and the US dollar is falling. Maybe relevant.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by noblethrasher »

bsder wrote: post #239
archagon wrote: post #43

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Do you seriously think we'll have widespread self-driving cars — and not just the bare bones technology, but ones that we can ride in without any control at all, even while intoxicated — within a timespan short enough for every other advancement in car technology to not matter? I am almost 100% certain that we won't see that kind of thing even within the next few decades, if ever. Self-driving cars have way too many…

> Do you seriously think we'll have widespread self-driving cars — and not just the bare bones technology, but ones that we can ride in without any control at all, even while intoxicated — within a timespan short enough for every other advancement in car technology to not matter? Yes. Without question. It's a process that has an exponential adoption curve to it. The benefits from self-driving cars are so enormous its…

> It might not cause the revolution that the Internet has, but it's gonna be damn close.

Ubiquitous autonomous roving robots will lead to a revolution at least as big as the Internet, but probably bigger.

Like the printing press, the Internet made distances shorter, but in a low-fidelity way since reality has much higher bandwidth. With self-driving cars, suddenly “real” distances become smaller since 12 hour trips become routine†. The differences between, say, a middle-class Oklahoman, Texan, Missourian, Coloradian, et.al. start to disappear, and this scenario will play out all across the U.S. and other large regions (Canada? India?).

†If we raise the speed limit to 120 mph (mostly afforded by a change in energy policy), then I could trek from Oklahoma to NY or LA every weekend.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by robmcm »

moe wrote: post #225
cmelbye wrote: post #135

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You ignore the fact that this is meant to be controlled by Siri and, yes, tactile knobs and switches in your car. It says it right there on the linked page. Little to no distraction needed.

You ignore the fact that this is meant to be controlled by Siri Nothing to improve road safety like elaborate arguments with a speech recognition engine...

You think Siri is bad, try the ones built into 5 year old cars.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by pirateking »

shimfish wrote: post #197
morganvachon wrote: post #145

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Do you really think it's mirroring the phone's display onto the car's screen? That would be pointless, as you don't want dozens of irrelevant app icons cluttering your car's display. You want the basic controls that are useful in a car, with large targets that can be hit with a glance and later with muscle memory. If you really think they are just mirroring the display, then you didn't even look at the linked Apple p…

My guess is that the iOS SDK has been expanded to allow for a second screen that is output over lightning. So no, it's not mirroring the phone screen, but displaying another screen powered by the phone. This would seem to fit with it being iPhone5 and above only as lightning is designed to have these sorts of custom digital output.

Yes, this is the case. External screen support was added a few years ago.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by robmcm »

ekianjo wrote: post #76
archagon wrote: post #43

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Do you seriously think we'll have widespread self-driving cars — and not just the bare bones technology, but ones that we can ride in without any control at all, even while intoxicated — within a timespan short enough for every other advancement in car technology to not matter? I am almost 100% certain that we won't see that kind of thing even within the next few decades, if ever. Self-driving cars have way too many…

> I mean, Europe hasn't even moved over to automatic transmission yet. Haha. 1) Driving automatic cars is so boring. 2) it makes your body unbalanced constantly since you use a single foot, therefore your back will ache over long periods of driving. 3) You cannot adjust your speed as fast with an automatic car, we are stuck with binary controls while manual cars provide all the flexibility you need in real, and criti…

Tiptronic, best of both worlds.

(Apart from the back ache)

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by robmcm »

ekianjo wrote: post #73
GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

> going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. Not to discuss your other points, but who are you to say the human brain has evolved or not to deal with X or Y ? The human brain is actually very capable of dealing with multiple sensory signals, and the fact that most people can drive cars on motorways without crashing in each other's every 2 seconds suggest that the human brain is perf…

His comment makes out like everything in nature is restricted to 15mph.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by robmcm »

mschaecher wrote: post #172
awjr wrote: post #126

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I think you'll be surprised at how quickly this type of thing is evolving. Google is putting an immense effort into solving this problem. I don't see self-drive cars as a solution for rural areas, but I do see a massive demand for cars in a city, replacing taxis and car clubs. I can even see it being a sort of a 'mini-bus service', for example, noting that you and 4 others are doing a pickup in an area and doing a sc…

I'm from Nebraska originally, and I see a bigger market for self-driving cars in flyover country than in an area like SF Bay. Lots of long, straight drives with far less vehicles on the road probably even make it more realistic to accomplish bc it's a less dynamic environment. I know 20+ who drive an hour both ways to work...and on the morning drive you can do it and only see a handful of cars if it's early.

I have a car with Adaptive Cruise Control (it has a fricking radar on it's head) and it rocks for long straight roads.

Add adaptive lane assist and your half way there ;)

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