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Re: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide

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Post by _ls7m » Thu, Feb 27, 2014, 11:35 PM UTC

acqq wrote: post #253

_ls7m wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also 'omitted' the rest of the bible. I quoted the whole verse of Matthew 5:17. I don't see any issue with Matthew 5:18 in regards to my statement.

It is the next sentence said by Jesus himself, confirming the law of the prophets: "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished." I don't see heaven and earth passed away, so the laws of the prophets still hold according to Jesus himself. He said that. Written one sentence after the one you quote claiming th…

You're correct, the law has not passed away. The requirements of it have been fully met (fulfilled) by Christ. By submitting our lives to Christ, his perfect fulfillment of God's law is credited to us, thereby freeing us from the penalty of the law.

This is obviously off topic from the original post, but hopefully it's a valuable conversation. It's actually a really important point that is reiterated throughout the New Testament explicitly and foreshadowed throughout the entire Old Testament.

This is a short helpful explanation http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/how-christ-fulfilled-and...

Re: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide

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Post by eric_cc » Thu, Feb 27, 2014, 11:37 PM UTC

StandardFuture wrote: post #255

Loughla wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to get too far afield from the original post, or to start a religious debate where we end up calling each other Hitler, but I've got some good stuff for you: "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28) "If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulte…

Hahaha! It has always amazed me how people indebted to intellectual discussions via the culture of a forum completely disregard all historical context of an ancient peoples. xD I get that it's the "in" thing now to hate on ancient texts to seem smart but ... Quoting a writing from the ancient Jewish leader Moses is equivalent to studying the history of the peoples in those times and locations. Please, note that basic…

I like your use of emoticons to express your opinion about the historical context of text.

Re: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide

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Post by cmdkeen » Thu, Feb 27, 2014, 11:38 PM UTC

Lagged2Death wrote: post #54

ISTR that in the futuristic dystopia depicted in V for Vendetta , there are government spy cameras everywhere, including in people's bedrooms. And it turns out that's not so futuristic. We're already there. The moment it became technically (Edit: and really, economically) feasible to spy on people's bedrooms, our governments leapt at the chance. I wonder what Alan Moore would have to say about that. We didn't have to…

Except that during the early part of that period both British and American intelligence agencies had free reign untroubled by having to obey that law.

Hoover's FBI did what it want, MI5 famously "burgled their way across London". Oversight came later.

Re: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide

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Post by mzs » Thu, Feb 27, 2014, 11:40 PM UTC

okasaki wrote: post #71

> Yahoo reacted furiously to the webcam interception when approached by the Guardian. That's pretty funny. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PRISM_Collection_Details.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Upstream-slide.jpg

Yahoo fought/fights this pretty hard:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2342200/Revealed-Yah...

Now companies are able to release more info about what the government had requested, though it is delayed and limited to giving ranges periods of time instead of absolute numbers.

Re: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide

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Post by rasz_pl » Thu, Feb 27, 2014, 11:50 PM UTC

pyre wrote: post #257

spenvo wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DanBC has the better comment (currently below this one) - I'm not qualified to respond, but it deserves one. Upvote him. I just wanted to point out that (from their mobile sites) I couldn't find a single story about this on CNN, FoxNews or MSNBC. (4:36pm CST) Last time I made a fuss about the media I had Godwin's law and Occam's Razor cited in replies/counters as why bias in the press is purely organic in nature. As…

> points to an invisible hand Or that the average US citizen (the market for those news corps) doesn't give jack shit about it (not that this is a good thing). Netizens and UK citizens don't factor into the equation for these companies.

They cared when it was school doing it on students laptops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbins_v._Lower_Merion_School_...

But now somehow dont care when 2mil Yahoo users are the target? Bitch please.

Re: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide

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Post by rasz_pl » Fri, Feb 28, 2014, 12:01 AM UTC

touristtam wrote: post #87

What's the purpose of founding this kind of spying program? Do they expect to find Al'Quaida' sbire among the average joe?

You have porntube, they have this.

Re: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide

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Post by thisiswrong » Fri, Feb 28, 2014, 12:06 AM UTC

mullingitover wrote: post #194

The way these disclosures keep building in severity, it almost makes it seem like Greenwald et al are preparing us for some truly horrific news. Something along the lines of, "NSA and GCHQ have been using their agencies' resources to alter the outcome of elections."

Why would they need to do that? The mainstream media's role is to make people politically apathetic and scared of terrorists™.

Re: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide

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Post by dandelany » Fri, Feb 28, 2014, 12:07 AM UTC

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #245

nl wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a pretty common requirement for many classified positions in the real world (not having to attend pride parade, but being out about your sexual preferences).

is this true ?! Any evidence? Is there a page on whitehouse.gov with F R Smith - foot fetish (moderate), would like to be a Gimp but never found the right owner.

Yes it's sort of true - the concern here is about being susceptible to blackmail or coercion, which rules out pretty much anyone who has a personal secret which they feel ashamed about or would go to great lengths to keep secret. If you're gay and out, there's no security concern, but if you're in the closet, there is a chance someone could find out and blackmail you into revealing secret information.

This also applies to people with large amounts of debt - which IIRC is one of the most common reasons people are denied clearance. See here for more info (scroll to "Vulnerability to Coercion"): http://www.dhra.mil/perserec/adr/falsification/falsification...

Re: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide

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Post by thisiswrong » Fri, Feb 28, 2014, 12:10 AM UTC

bsbechtel wrote: post #112

Just a thought here....these stories get tons of coverage here on HN (and rightly so), but at this point pretty much fall on deaf ears for the rest of our population. Our media is too busy keeping everyone distracted with stories about how a Coke Ad offended 0.000002% of the population and Russia's leaders hate gay people. Nothing against the importance or validity of those stories, but I would hope everyone reading…

You are very detached from reality if you think the mainstream media is here to inform (rather than dis-inform) the people.

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Post by Crito » Fri, Feb 28, 2014, 12:12 AM UTC

StandardFuture wrote: post #255

Loughla wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to get too far afield from the original post, or to start a religious debate where we end up calling each other Hitler, but I've got some good stuff for you: "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28) "If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulte…

Hahaha! It has always amazed me how people indebted to intellectual discussions via the culture of a forum completely disregard all historical context of an ancient peoples. xD I get that it's the "in" thing now to hate on ancient texts to seem smart but ... Quoting a writing from the ancient Jewish leader Moses is equivalent to studying the history of the peoples in those times and locations. Please, note that basic…

Ancient texts are fine. Great fun, so long as they are treated as ancient texts.

I don't think that anybody is distressed by the Code of Hammurabi, but that is because there are not people going around sincerely stating that they believe the Code of Hammurabi to be timeless and perfectly just, and Hammurabi himself to be someone to look to for ethical or moral guidance.

It is only when the historical context of ancient documents is purposely ignored or denied that those ancient documents become the targets of modern criticism.