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Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by donotsurveil »

mkdir wrote: post #174
blahedo wrote: post #99

Great idea; shame about the name. Here's the problem with using words like "bro" (however jokingly): the problem is not with what you [0] are thinking when you read the word "bro", but with what other people , especially newcomers, are thinking. The locker-room atmosphere that stuff like this creates is a huge barrier to entry for a lot of people, women especially, who infer that on top of all the technically difficu…

As a society, we need to get over the chivalrous notion that something is automatically bad if it might trigger negative emotions in women. If women tend to be intimidated by head-to-head competition (of any type) with a man, it doesn't mean it's wrong or immoral for a man to compete head-to-head with a woman. If women tend to be intimidated when a muscular male stranger is in their presence, it doesn't mean it's wro…

I'm not a woman and I had an instant instinctive rejection reaction to the title of this post. I made a conscious effort to click anyway to see what this was about, and now that I have I still have a rejection reaction to the name.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by chatmasta »

natch wrote: post #200
paul wrote: post #155

Awesome idea. Shame about the humorless nature of this community. To me, a "bro" is a dumb, fratboy version of a man, which makes the name hilariously perfect. If you're feeling oppressed and excluded by a command name, your real problems lie elsewhere.

I'm not feeling oppressed. The problem isn't me feeling oppressed, it's other people feeling oppressed. Poor choice of language can set up an exclusionary environment. To you, this may be funny. To me, your accusation of humorlessness reminds me of people who engage in sexually harassing "jokes" in the workplace, and then try to get away with it by using "humor" as an excuse. You aren't the one who gets to decide whe…

> You aren't the one who gets to decide when other people feel uncomfortable.

> it's other people feeling oppressed

Seems a bit hypocritical doesn't it? You are sort of correct. The only person who gets to decide if "he/she" (notice the political correctness?) is offended is "himself/herself." Just as you cannot tell someone he/she is offended, you cannot tell anyone he/she is being offensive. The only person who can label someone as offensive is the person who is offended by the words.

Stop getting offended over pointless shit. Nothing can be offensive without offensive intent. 99% of the time, the problem lies with the person getting offended, not the person doing the offending. Nobody has an obligation to feel like they are walking on glass when he/she opens his/her mouth.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by tobinharris »

Learn by example is powerful. Installed. Great work.

I am also concerned about the gender situation. I solved it with these commands:

ln -s /Users/tobinharris/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p0/bin/bro /Users/tobinharris/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p0/bin/sister

ln -s /Users/tobinharris/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p0/bin/bro /Users/tobinharris/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p0/bin/lady

ln -s /Users/tobinharris/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p0/bin/bro /Users/tobinharris/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p0/bin/lass

ln -s /Users/tobinharris/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p0/bin/bro /Users/tobinharris/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p0/bin/sko

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by cdcarter »

chrisrhoden wrote: post #42
lhnz wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you winding me up? Was man also misogynistic? Besides: curl --header "X-GirlsAreBrosToo: 1" www.bropages.org

> Was man also misogynistic? man is short for manual. What is bro short for?

Brochure. Which, despite the tounge-in-cheek joke I was trying to make, actually tends to be a shorter and more example driven document about a product.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by zecho »

benihana wrote: post #83
tomphoolery wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're missing the actual joke, which is that "man" was the colloquialism for "dude" or "bro" in the 1970s, when `man` was created. So it only makes sense that a "man for modern times", or maybe a "man with less formality" would be called `bro`. Personally, I've aliased `man` to `dude` on my shell, so my laptop fits in better with its peers.

you should create a program and corresponding man page called abide

Alias sudo

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by blhack »

donotsurveil wrote: post #254
overgard wrote: post #216

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Absolutely, lets throw away our sense of humor and wordplay because there are theoretically people that might be offended (maybe, kindof. You know. In theory.). (N.B. the people that seem to be offended so far are offended on other peoples behalf..) Isn't it way more offensive to assume that women are such dainty delicate creatures that like, they won't get the joke?

English is not my mother tongue so maybe that's why I don't get the humor here, what wordplay are you talking about ? man is short for manual following a unix tradition, bro is a word associated with despicable attitude and stupid behavior holding those as life goals which has absolutely no link with its actual use. There is no way I'm sharing my library of command examples I built for myself over the years with this…

No, bro is short for "brother", which is a male gendered person who has the same parent as you.

Brother and sister are the gendered names for children having the same parents.

"bro", in this case is short for "brother".

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by [deleted] »

ilyanep wrote: post #231
overgard wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely, lets throw away our sense of humor and wordplay because there are theoretically people that might be offended (maybe, kindof. You know. In theory.). (N.B. the people that seem to be offended so far are offended on other peoples behalf..) Isn't it way more offensive to assume that women are such dainty delicate creatures that like, they won't get the joke?

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Not_a_woman http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/You%27re_the_sexist#.22Ta...

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Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by KVFinn »

IbJacked wrote: post #232
KVFinn wrote: post #198

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>Was the creator thinking of brogramming? Was the creator thinking of it being the "bro"ther of the man pages? What does intent matter? If the discussion on a tool is overtaken by the discussion on the gender trolling in the name, then feedback that the name is off putting to a portion of the potential audience is valid. If I was marketing a product in a foreign language, I would be open to feedback that the name has…

> What does intent matter? I would argue that intent is all that matters. If people want to foist their interpretation onto the word, that's their issue, not mine or the author's (if he wasn't relating it to "brogrammer" that is, I can't speak to his thought process). The vast majority of people would consider "bro" a substitute colloquialism for "dude", and such. And, I would be willing to bet that that is how most…

>I would argue that intent is all that matters.

We are talking about whether the name is a good choice, right? How is intent even relevant? If I'm making something and trying to get other people to use it then all the matters is how a potential audience sees it?

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