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Nonetheless it confirms my experience of journalists also: as a class, they often play fast and loose with the truth and frequently misattribute statements, misinterpret facts and quote misleadingly out of context. Take everything you read in the press with a huge grain of salt.
Maybe the death of newspapers and magazines is generally well deserved?
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Had the reporter ignored Tesla's advice, the review would have been tainted. It's either "do what Tesla says, they're the experts" or "I'm doing to do my own thing sgainst Tesla's advice, invalidating all conclusions in this article." The journalist chose the former.
I seriously dont think he ever got that advice. It speaks against 6th grade physics and any common sense.
Unfortunately I think Musk has over-reacted and truly done more damage to Telsa/the electric car 'movement' in general the more this has gone on. It's actually really upsetting to see something like this spiral so ridiculously out of control because it's a fantastic car, and Musk is admirable person. But before you make inflammatory claims one would hope a serious investigation would occur. Unfortunately it appears t…
There seems to be this assumption that just because he's clearly smart, and doing great things, that he can't also be self-destructively impulsive.
It's a shame, because un-varnished communications are much more interesting than generic corporate PR. On the other hand, he's doing his cause a disservice. He needs to sit back and shut up. His recent comments on the 787 battery, and this internet-esque flame war are at least unseemly, and more likely actively damaging his plans.
Unfortunately I think Musk has over-reacted and truly done more damage to Telsa/the electric car 'movement' in general the more this has gone on. It's actually really upsetting to see something like this spiral so ridiculously out of control because it's a fantastic car, and Musk is admirable person. But before you make inflammatory claims one would hope a serious investigation would occur. Unfortunately it appears t…
There seems to be this assumption that just because he's clearly smart, and doing great things, that he can't also be self-destructively impulsive.
It's a shame, because un-varnished communications are much more interesting than generic corporate PR. On the other hand, he's doing his cause a disservice. He needs to sit back and shut up. His recent comments on the 787 battery, and this internet-esque flame war are at least unseemly, and more likely actively damaging his plans.
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Do you have a reference for that? I ask because while I can imagine there are limits the kinds of things I've not seen one for Tesla's battery packs. I see that typical LiOn type batteries have a 'one month at -20C (-4F)' sort of limit, car batteries are typically better than that, good to -40F or so. Edit: This article http://electronicdesign.com/power/operating-conditions-get-t... says "permanent damage at -50 degr…
Mostly correct, but I remember standing outside my 5th grade classroom window waiting for the teachers to unlock the door. At that time the school doors were only unlocked prior to class starting if there were blizzard conditions, not for cold. The classroom had a thermometer on the window that read -50C at the time. The only reason I remember it was because it was the first time I realized -40C = -40F. http://en.wik…
I put a graph together showing all the points/counterpoints and here's what I'm left with. - not charging past 90% at the 1st station is defensible. Especially if Tesla warns it will shorten the battery's life. - It'd be better if Tesla's software took temperature into account when estimating mileage range. - Broder is being ridiculous about the cruise control and his speed estimates, and the temperature. He has part…
The "fundamental attribution error" refers to our tendency to overattribute others' behaviors to their dispositions, while reversing this tendency for ourselves. From: http://lesswrong.com/lw/hz/correspondence_bias/ Also, this: We tend to see far too direct a correspondence between others' actions and personalities. When we see someone else kick a vending machine for no visible reason, we assume they are "an angry pe…
Overall I think Broder acquits himself well, and his explanation about circling the Milford parking lot makes sense. Also, the Tesla engineer he was on the phone with at the time should have been able to tell Musk that happened (or Tesla should have just asked Broder to comment before posting the rebuttal). His action here is still hard to understand: > The Tesla personnel whom I consulted over the phone – Ms. Ra and…
Overall I think Broder acquits himself well, and his explanation about circling the Milford parking lot makes sense. Also, the Tesla engineer he was on the phone with at the time should have been able to tell Musk that happened (or Tesla should have just asked Broder to comment before posting the rebuttal). His action here is still hard to understand: > The Tesla personnel whom I consulted over the phone – Ms. Ra and…
No, it doesn't. Remember, the original article was a review of the Supercharger network. Whether or not the Superchargers are hard to find is a very important detail. The decision to buy a Model S very likely hinges on whether one can use the Supercharger network. Finding the station is almost as important as whether or not the stations exist at all.
So, given that, why would he omit this particular detail from the original review? Broder wrote three pages in his original article, and wasted a lot of space writing about the bitter cold inside the cabin. Are you seriously suggesting that such a talented writer (and I do believe he is that) was not able to find space in his review for this very important detail?
It strikes me that the simplest, and most logical, explanation is that Broder was not actually looking for the station a the time he was allegedly "driving in circles." Rather, it seems like an excuse cooked up after the fact, to explain behavior that, should it go unexplained, would be quite damning.
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"reads like Broder was trying to stack the deck" I disagree. I think Broder is doing what a lot of journalists do and has accentuated the overall negative experience to create a better narrative. In spite of the poor communication and slight exaggeration, I don't feel like there was malice or a great deal of intent on Broder's behalf. He generally had a poor experience. The errors in his story do not negate that, and…
> In spite of the poor communication and slight exaggeration, I don't feel like there was malice or a great deal of intent on Broder's behalf. He generally had a poor experience. I don't know much about electric cars, but I do know this: They aren't great for long distrance driving. I have no doubt that Broder had a bad experience. When it's 10 degrees outside, I don't want to turn off the climate control. When I'm d…
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I agree that this is what journalists do. It's also why the public stops trusting journalists, especially after they've personally experienced this. It's what the rest of us calls "lying". This may not be an example of individual malice, but it is definitely an example of why journalism that still uses practices that pre-date video, let alone the internet, no longer commands any kind of respect. Broder lied "because…
I wouldn't characterise it as lying. Broder constructed a narrative around his experience, and got a couple of the details wrong.
Not having a dog in this fight, I would also characterize it as lying. I have the expectation that a journalist will not construct a narrative, but will endeavor to faithfully report events as experienced and informed, as well as revealing personal biases and possible sources of error.