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Re: .name Termination

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Post by justincormack »

dhosek wrote: post #204
marcosdumay wrote: post #143

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It is (or was for a long time, IDK) a strongly recommended practice from ICANN. I imagine nearly all countries to do that.

There end up being some weird edge cases where there are some countries which have both the equivalent of .co.uk but also allow registrations directly under the two-letter country code as well. .mx is one such case where most business are, e.g., costco.com.mx, but it’s also possible to register directly under .mx as well so Toyota Mexico is toyota.mx and not toyota.com.mx (the latter is registered, and ostensibly to…

uk is one example - they opened up x.uk later, and gave x.co.uk registrations first dibs.

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Post by dpoloncsak »

dbt00 wrote: post #198
dpoloncsak wrote: post #193

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I can say, as a SysAdmin, I have been taught and tell my users to check the domain to verify a website is real. It's a strange edgecase that the owner of John.Doe.com does not need to own Doe.com In every other case that I know about, to own the Joe subdomain of Doe.com, you would need to own Doe.com edit: I guess I've gotten so used to the government 3LDs I just don't even see them anymore, or just see something lik…

That is definitely not true. There are literally thousands if not tens of thousands of well known domains that do this. .co.uk is a very common example.

The fact that multiple organizations need to keep a public list of known 3LDs proves it's the edge case, does it not?

"Here's a list of things that look like subdomains for you to treat as 3LDs instead of subdomains" sounds exactly like the solution to an edge case to me.

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Post by davkan »

bombcar wrote: post #230
davkan wrote: post #215

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I can’t think of any prominent ones outside of country code domains.

You can almost guess someone's age from that alone - they're more rare, but long domain names still appear that encode a city and a state, and you could just "grab" the first part when signing up.

Outside of the context of ccTLDs and city.state.gov etc, I struggle to think of examples 3LD+ domains where they are owned and operated by completely different concerns than the parent. If at some point you could just register your own mysite.state.gov domains willy nilly that's probably before my initial time online around 2000.

Another poster raised the point of hosting services which is valid. But at present outside of that example and the above I really can't think of an example where you have a link to entity.com and you have any significant cause to verify the identity beyond the 2LD.

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Post by dpoloncsak »

amiga386 wrote: post #259
dpoloncsak wrote: post #193

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I can say, as a SysAdmin, I have been taught and tell my users to check the domain to verify a website is real. It's a strange edgecase that the owner of John.Doe.com does not need to own Doe.com In every other case that I know about, to own the Joe subdomain of Doe.com, you would need to own Doe.com edit: I guess I've gotten so used to the government 3LDs I just don't even see them anymore, or just see something lik…

Hello sysadmin. Good luck navigating the internet. What you should know, and what your browser does know and automatically applies cookie policy and colouring your URL bar, is the Public Suffix List: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Suffix_List It will let you know that, for example, one does not need to own .co.uk to own the subdomain foo.co.uk.

I appreciate this, and yeah the government/education ones slipped my mind, but I stand by the fact that the reason a list needs to be kept in the first place is because this is the edge case and not the norm.

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Post by bityard »

sunnybeetroot wrote: post #216
bityard wrote: post #186

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I manage the email accounts for the others in my household because it's free for them and I'm happy to do it. Plus, they trust me more than they trust a random tech company. Maybe that is not a universal thing among all families or parts of the world.

How do you manage the bus factor? You die tomorrow and what happens to management of the domain and therefore access to their emails?

I stay out of the way of fast-moving buses!

But more seriously, my domain and VPS is on auto-pay, so it doesn't just shut off the day I die. My survivors will have plenty of time to back up their emails and do whatever they want with them afterward.

Plus, the password for my computers and keychain is in a safe-deposit box if they feel like handing it over to a trusted tech-savvy friend of the family to shut down properly.

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Post by wiether »

xp84 wrote: post #232
jonhohle wrote: post #184

One of the reasons I stick with Big Email for my primary email is cases similar to this. If I host email and lose the domain one day, I’ve lost two factor on a thousand different services (the single factor on some). Big Email’s policy is to not reissue my address, should I lose it or die. The .name scenario is even worse. One domain gives you access to tens of thousands of users email. It seems like a privacy nightm…

By Big Email are you just referring to the biggest providers (e.g. Google and Microsoft)? or is there another meaning?

If they're talking about Google or Microsoft, putting more trust in the worst tech companies than in the TLD of your country seems crazy to me.

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Post by p4bl0 »

anominal wrote: post #155
p4bl0 wrote: post #34

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At the beginning of the existence of the .name TLD you couldn't do that, you were forced to register firstname.lastname.name and provide an ID to justify registering this specific domain. With it you got an email redirection from firstname@lastname.name to the address of your choice. At some point this feature was discontinued (I assume when VeriSign took control of the .name TLD), a bit after it was decided (again b…

The firstname@lastname.name email forwarding is still working for me. I think only some registrars support it, though.

Really? Mine have been discontinued without notice something like 15 years ago!

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Post by davkan »

ketzu wrote: post #260
davkan wrote: post #248

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None of these examples are of actual separate registration/ownership of a 3LD from the parent 2LD. Cloudflare owns the domain for myproject.pages.dev and hosts all the relevant infra. Not to say that there isn't a different entity represented by the 3LD than the 2LD but it's not exactly the same. Also I would not consider the examples of tumblr and reddit to be relevant. A person's blog on myprofile.tumblr.org is sti…

I see, that's a valid way to think of domain ownership. When I read > I have been taught and tell my users to check the domain to verify a website is real. I was thinking more of control of the content as "ownership" of the domain.

The point on hosting providers is well taken. You do have to consider x.pages.dev as the wild west not cloudflare of course. One difference though is you will never receive an email from x.pages.dev asking you to do something. The domain ownership still does play a part.

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Post by eterm »

zahllos wrote: post #254
akersten wrote: post #25

It kind of seems like an insane TLD structure to begin with, right? I always thought .co.uk was bad (you're just pinning yourself to whoever owns the .co. part, but at least browsers have some suffix list where you can't, I don't know, hijack some login cookie for all of .co.). Joe Smith and John Smith can independently register joe.smith.name and john.smith.name, do browsers have a wildcard suffix list for the 2nd l…

In the UK Nominet (the UK domain namr registrar - nic.uk) only permitted 3rd domains - co.uk. org.uk, me.uk. then there were "prove your status" ones such as ltd.uk, plc.uk and ac.uk plus ones like gov.uk, mod.uk, sch.uk, nhs.uk etc. .uk was opened up relatively recently.

I own a .uk and it still feels weird not having something in-between.

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Post by davkan »

megagpt1 wrote: post #258
davkan wrote: post #248

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None of these examples are of actual separate registration/ownership of a 3LD from the parent 2LD. Cloudflare owns the domain for myproject.pages.dev and hosts all the relevant infra. Not to say that there isn't a different entity represented by the 3LD than the 2LD but it's not exactly the same. Also I would not consider the examples of tumblr and reddit to be relevant. A person's blog on myprofile.tumblr.org is sti…

You can buy example.it.com on many registrars. Someone bought it.com and operates it like a TLD.

Interesting. I do wonder how many people outside scammers and squatters buy them. I'd rather have an .xyz or .biz address personally.
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