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Re: Fastmail offers EU data region

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> Emergency backups for everybody are stored in our Philadelphia location. As well as the live replicas of your data, we also keep a separate set of encrypted backups taken every few hours for every account. These are in Philadelphia for all users at the moment.

So all of this is pointless.

Re: Fastmail offers EU data region

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I think they just know what they can and can't guarantee.

Agreed. I imagine they’ll announce an EU-only option later once they get more EU infrastructure in place

As long as they are owned by a 5-eyes nation, there's no alternative they can offer.

Instead, look to Exoscale, Proton, Infomaniak, or Scaleway.

Disclaimer: I work for one of 'em.

Re: Fastmail offers EU data region

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And what would happen next to ensure that von der Leyen was removed from office? It is worth remembering at this point how von der Leyen first became Commission President. She was controversially nominated by the European Council - who are not directly elected representatives within the EU system - deviating from the spitzenkandidat convention in a way that surprised and angered many MEPs - who are. Her own national…

Everything she does has to be confirmed by the parliament you're electing. Everything else she does needs to be confirmed by representatives of your own member state. Just like EVERY OTHER democracy.

Just like EVERY OTHER democracy.

Not really.

In most representative democracies it is the elected representatives who initiate new law. In the EU the elected MEPs have no power to do this and it is the role of the unelected Commission to start the process.

Meanwhile the Commission is also the "executive branch" of the EU. A great deal of what the commissioners do is not directly subject to approval by the European Parliament.

Re: Fastmail offers EU data region

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Unfortunately, even if all data lives in the European Union, as long as a company is conducting business in the US, the Cloud Act makes it possible to compel them to hand over any information. This can include making administrative personnel sign NDAs or face heavy repercussions. Conducting business in the US includes advertising to US citizens e.g through maintaining a website in English.

At this point it’s unclear what a future digitally sovereign infrastructure should look like. Even if a company or a European state somehow manages to store data that is out of reach for the US Government, an amendment to FISA or the Cloud Act is something that any Congress should be able to put together.

Re: Fastmail offers EU data region

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post #264

Unfortunately, even if all data lives in the European Union, as long as a company is conducting business in the US, the Cloud Act makes it possible to compel them to hand over any information. This can include making administrative personnel sign NDAs or face heavy repercussions. Conducting business in the US includes advertising to US citizens e.g through maintaining a website in English. At this point it’s unclear…

I am pretty sure that European states are already storing data that is out of reach for the US government, and I don't understand how Congress could legislate against this, short of an act of war.

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No. Did you read the OVH story linked by user kvemkom? https://www.heise.de/en/news/Canadian-Court-OVHcloud-from-Fr... A difference could be that Germany might not have such blocking law as France. At least I have never heard of it.

Canadian judges can rule whatever they want, it isn't going to make a difference in practice: if Canada or a Canadian entity wants data from an EU company they're going to have to go through the proper channels to do so. Taking shortcuts like this, even with the backing of a judge just isn't going to fly.

Yes. Canada only gets to affect the Canadian subsidiary of OVH. Otherwise they can't do a whole lot. Maybe they can do enough though - maybe they can seize the profits from the subsidiary going to the parent company, which the parent company would want to avoid. They have no direct control though.

If it had been the European one that was the subsidiary, then Canada could order the OVH parent company to order the subsidiary to do things.

Re: Fastmail offers EU data region

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EU data regions are a reflexive action by companies that try to hold on to their EU customers (and more and more are leaving, surprisingly the larger ones seem to be leading here). Realize that as long as you are still hosted on US owned infrastructure or that if there are US (or: five-eyes) owned companies anywhere in the stack your data can still be forcibly pulled and often without you being aware that this happen…

Five Eyes is only surveillance, right - they don't transfer court orders or arrest warrants?

So Australia may spy on data entering and leaving the Australian server that serves US customers, but they can't just seize the server based on the Five Eyes agreement.

BTW it's expanded to Fourteen Eyes and it's generally good to assume that all Western governments are cooperating to about this degree.

Re: Fastmail offers EU data region

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> just stops shy of asking Australian tech companies, like Fastmail, to build backdoors into their products so that the government can "legally access" data from them It stops just short of saying that you must do this preemptively , but is pretty clear that you must do it if they ask you to.

Why do I never hear about this ‘feature’ from American products like gmail which 99% of the HN audience is using? Isn’t USA a member of Five Eyes? I admit it is a concern, as a Fastmail user, but this discussion only seems to happen on the Fastmail threads, yet no one bats an eye if one is suggested to open a gmail account like everybody else.

Why would a US company tell you that it's going to spy on you for the government?

American products in particular are often mass consumer products that aren't particularly privacy focused. Everyone who cares about privacy already knows that Gmail isn't private - not only is it American, it's also owned by a domestic espionage conglomerate - but might be expecting Fastmail to be private, so that one is newsworthy.

Re: Fastmail offers EU data region

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> Why do I never hear about this ‘feature’ from American products like gmail which 99% of the HN audience is using? Isn’t USA a member of Five Eyes? There is lot of hate toward Google (and other top US companies). Especially due to autobanning of accounts, 2FA etc. at the moment people have fastmail as their darling - because they are the underdog, no AI forcing in products (at the moment) etc. It is like stripe from…

What issues do you refer to for Proton?

No access via standard protocols. Supposedly this is because they E2EE your emails as soon as they receive them, meaning you need a special client to read the emails.

Also it got busted for funding some right wing movements.

Also it got busted for sharing data with governments leading to some activists getting arrested.

Re: Fastmail offers EU data region

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Trump just dropped the part of his lawsuit against the BBC where he claimed it damaged his business because he would have to expose what his business is. The Trump regime a way more corrupt than anything currently seen in Europe. He currently attempting to steal Greenland so he can strip it of mineral assets for fucks sack. No politician in Europe is starting wars for personal gain. Only Trump and Putin. https://www.…

> No politician in Europe is starting wars for personal gain. Isn't that that basically the history of Europe? A short French or German or English or Roman dude starting a war for personal gain?

Not recently though. Unless you count Putin.
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