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Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by porphyra »

Fogest wrote: post #244
porphyra wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Waymo I-Pace is much less efficient than the regular roadgoing I-Pace. One X user posted a pic of the dashboard of a Waymo with 111,000 miles on the odometer, and it averaged 1.0 kWh per mile [1][2]. This is about 2.5x worse than the EPA rating of a normal Jaguar I-Pace. Probably the difference is because the Waymo has tons of compute and the sensors have a surprisingly large impact on aerodynamic efficiency. I w…

Referring to the example from the Twitter post you cited, wouldn't the KWh per mile simply be a lot higher because these vehicles are engaging in much less efficient travel overall? City driving itself is often pretty inefficient because of all the stopping and going, and these vehicles likely are driving in a lot of the rush hour traffic and high density areas everyday. Not to mention they probably idle around a lot…

Possible, but EVs tend to be more efficient in city driving than highway driving, thanks to regenerative braking and the fact that the dominant form of energy loss, air resistance, scales quadratically with speed.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by SR2Z »

inigyou wrote: post #255
SR2Z wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably Waymo complies with their legal obligations... The point is that there's a process, it applies both to Waymo and to you as a rando. The police don't have special access to Waymo cameras.

So if I sent an email to Waymo I could get camera footage of a crime?

Perhaps you should read this:

https://selfhelp.courts.ca.gov/subpoena

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by [deleted] »

oblio wrote: post #236
eagleinparadise wrote: post #232

As someone who works in commercial real estate, involved in about $300M of housing development, some of it affordable, i will say without any doubt that driverless cars are a very effective affordable housing policy that is not being considered or discussed by anyone. Any public dollar that gets contributed to housing, basically adds a 50% cost factor and assume whatever it is used for will take 2-3x as long to deliv…

America, the place where they will try anything except for building good public transportation, walkable and bikeable neighborhoods.

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Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by nixass »

eagleinparadise wrote: post #249
oblio wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America, the place where they will try anything except for building good public transportation, walkable and bikeable neighborhoods.

i know multiple developers with public dollars to build housing $800k-$1.2M per unit. so i don't know, maybe come up with a better solution I'd be happy to hear your idea that is realistic and will deliver more units at a lower cost.

You seem braggy too much

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by paulddraper »

panick21_ wrote: post #248
eagleinparadise wrote: post #232

As someone who works in commercial real estate, involved in about $300M of housing development, some of it affordable, i will say without any doubt that driverless cars are a very effective affordable housing policy that is not being considered or discussed by anyone. Any public dollar that gets contributed to housing, basically adds a 50% cost factor and assume whatever it is used for will take 2-3x as long to deliv…

> Any public dollar that gets contributed to housing ... in the US > Building housing with no parking is not feasible for 95% of deals. You simply won't get financing Because of completely broken land use, transportation polices, building regulation in the US, they are very feasible in many other parts of the world. > if you could hand to your investors and lender an agreement which provides a car for every 3 units O…

> ... in the US

Dallas in the United States.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by SoftTalker »

eagleinparadise wrote: post #232

As someone who works in commercial real estate, involved in about $300M of housing development, some of it affordable, i will say without any doubt that driverless cars are a very effective affordable housing policy that is not being considered or discussed by anyone. Any public dollar that gets contributed to housing, basically adds a 50% cost factor and assume whatever it is used for will take 2-3x as long to deliv…

I'd go further and say that in most smaller cities that try to run a bus service but just don't have the ridership to support adequate service they would be better off just subsidizing Ubers or Waymos or whatever is available. Pare down the bus service to only the heavily used routes and run them way more often.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by s1artibartfast »

theappsecguy wrote: post #254
eagleinparadise wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i know multiple developers with public dollars to build housing $800k-$1.2M per unit. so i don't know, maybe come up with a better solution I'd be happy to hear your idea that is realistic and will deliver more units at a lower cost.

Have you tried "building good public transportation, walkable and bikeable neighborhoods"?

Buyers aren't willing to pay for it. Its not really up to the developers anyways.

[Edit] I am serious. Homebuyers dont want to pay US construction prices for a 500sqft walkable Parisin style apartment. Nor do they want a xx billion dollar metro cost tacked onto their property tax.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by ssl-3 »

oblio wrote: post #236
eagleinparadise wrote: post #232

As someone who works in commercial real estate, involved in about $300M of housing development, some of it affordable, i will say without any doubt that driverless cars are a very effective affordable housing policy that is not being considered or discussed by anyone. Any public dollar that gets contributed to housing, basically adds a 50% cost factor and assume whatever it is used for will take 2-3x as long to deliv…

America, the place where they will try anything except for building good public transportation, walkable and bikeable neighborhoods.

It's important to understand the history, wherein:

There was a time when we had all of those things that you mention. But cars quite clearly won; the others lost.

Towns and cities then continued to grow. They did this in car-centric ways because that fit the transportation style of the time.

And now, it is stuck this way.

Re: Waymo in Dallas

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Post by SR2Z »

Lammy wrote: post #256
SR2Z wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably Waymo complies with their legal obligations... The point is that there's a process, it applies both to Waymo and to you as a rando. The police don't have special access to Waymo cameras.

> The point is that there's a process That is the opposite of reassuring, because here are the stats for those processes as a whole (just ‘requests for user information’, not broken down by data type or Google product). Currently at 84% accepance rate i.e. the ‘process’ is a formality lol: https://transparencyreport.google.com/user-data/overview?hl=...

I don't know what to tell you. The subpoena system has been around for a VERY long time before Google even existed. You seem to be unfamiliar with it so I'd encourage you to read up before you call it a "formality."

This is not some newfangled shiny thing. If you hold records that are important to a court case you can be forced to give them up by court order. This is true regardless of who "you" happens to be. If police "have access" to a Waymo, it's only because they also "have access" to your phone, your medical records, your car rental history, etc., etc.

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