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Got it. You have no intention of defending what you actually said there.
> Got it. You have no intention of defending what you actually said there. Who said anything about killing?
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Just FYI, if you know much about the medical field, nurses tend to do most of the actual work, with highly experienced nurses actually taking up the mantle for many duties often done by doctors. Nurses are in far higher demand, than doctors. Your analogy isn’t necessarily wrong, but it might ignore the extreme importance of nurses. Many medical facilities are only staffed with permanent nurses, with doctors helicopte…
> Many medical facilities are only staffed with permanent nurses, with doctors helicoptering in, from time to time, to take care of specific duties that may require certain licenses, or provide specific advice. Maybe for a very loose definition of medical facilities that includes assisted living facilities. But for example in an ER, nurses come and go with very rapid turnover and it’s common to staff with temporary t…
> Maybe for a very loose definition of medical facilities that includes assisted living facilities.
Or midwives, for unimportant things like giving birth /s obviously
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Unless AGI has actual god-like powers, the owners don't have that power. Governments' and public opinion can change and are not so easy to control as you make it out to be. Is, for example, the EU AI Act or the GDPR the will of the machine owners? The odd thing is that after the pandemic just showed what societies can enforce, somehow it all is forgotten again when it comes to who holds what power.
God like powers are not necessary. What is necessary are pretty basic killer robots with the capability of determining who is a friend and who is a foe. These systems already exist. Labor is a commodity that has had a diminishing value in our current, capitalist system. That means, people who rely on their labor(most of us) instead of capital(a few), have control over less and less resources(this is already happening…
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> gc is the only mainstream compiler that makes always reproducible output a design requirement This is just splitting hairs. And temperature = 0 is not comparable either, because the we will not keep models trained on data of a specific point in time around forever. > Implementation details are immaterial, but when you don't understand the implementation it stands to reason that one would want to focus on that facet…
> And temperature = 0 is not comparable either, because the we will not keep models trained on data of a specific point in time around forever. Equally, if you replace one compiler with another, it is almost certain that the output will not remain stable, even when you have enabled reproducible builds. You are not going to find a difference on the outside, even if implementation may differ under the hood. > You told…
For me this exchange kinda was, but I don't see what I could possibly do about that.
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> And temperature = 0 is not comparable either, because the we will not keep models trained on data of a specific point in time around forever. Equally, if you replace one compiler with another, it is almost certain that the output will not remain stable, even when you have enabled reproducible builds. You are not going to find a difference on the outside, even if implementation may differ under the hood. > You told…
> Seems to me like a complete waste of time if you cannot learn anything from it. For me this exchange kinda was, but I don't see what I could possibly do about that.
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There exists to many complex things in the world and we cannot do it all ourselves. We work so that we have something of value to trade to the people who do the work on the things we want. We will never automate all work so we with half of humanity doing nothing of value it will be a struggle for the people who do nothing of value to convince people to do work for them. We can see it now where products dont target th…
So when you say stuff like“ We will never automate all work” generally you’d follow that up with an argument as to why you think that. It’s not fact, YOU think this to be the case. Back it up!
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The only truly unprecedented thing is the white-collar part. Otherwise it happened many times over that entire regions where suddenly out of job and job prospects. Automation and offshoring have equivalent impacts on the affected job market.
If you automate the creation of software, you essentially can automate almost any white-collar job.
And I think that example largely carries over to many other big picture and/or creative tasks. I think it would likely require another revolutionary leap for LLMs to get to that point, and that leap is probably not coming any time soon, if ever, at least not with LLMs.
Another practical issue is that LLMs, as difficult as it can be to imagine at times, are still just glorified autocomplete machines. And so genuinely novel advances will not be coming from LLMs. For instance take LLMs back to the early 20th century and none of them will discover relativity, even with infinite power/time. It's just so unlike their training material, and in direct contradiction to much of it, that it's simply outside their reach, let alone grasp.
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Only if you buy the fairy tale that the machines will be our nursemaids and that the powerful will forget their obsession with controlling and exploiting others.
> the powerful will forget their obsession with controlling and exploiting others I do find this line of reasoning overly simplistic The drive some individuals have to control / exploit others isn't limited to the rich, they're just in a better position to exercise it There are people who have absolutely no interest in what other people around them are doing; there are others who will move heaven and earth to help th…
What will be left for us to work on? Nothing. The wealthy own all of the infrastructure and we are already being priced out of the means of building our own. The proverbial ladder has been pulled up. When the wealthy no longer have need of us and we are no longer worth the resources we consume, they will give us death. All we can do is hope it is a peaceful and painless death instead of a violent and painful death.