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Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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I use GLM 5.2 through Opencode Go, but find it to be quite slow when you get to higher contexts (80k+) through their provider so I have not been able to test too much.

Do they disclose their providers? I haven't found any info.

Not that I am aware of

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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It's great for feature development. It queries you about you intentions, creates a spec for you to review and modify, creates a plan for it to follow, then farms out the work to subagents. Crap on it all you want, but it makes LLM work predictable.

It does not make LLM work predictable. Try it on the same type of project twice and see. You think you're saving time but youd accomplish similar results with 2 or 3 skills.

How is an implementation spec that helps it author a plan to follow not considered predictable? What are these skills you are referring to specifically?

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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It does not make LLM work predictable. Try it on the same type of project twice and see. You think you're saving time but youd accomplish similar results with 2 or 3 skills.

Which 2 or 3 skills?

I'll correct myself. 1 Skill for helping refine your plan/spec with propositional yes/no questions. After that no more skills needed to emulate superpowers honestly. Workflows do the rest and claude will do that for you. ultracode is 90% of superpowers

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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I would pay vastly more, I think it’s incredible value. If I had no other choice I think I’d pay up to $1K per day. The amount of work I’m getting through is absolutely immense.

Same. I don’t know what Mickey Mouse work people are doing that 4.8 is “enough”. CRUD apps maybe? I have some serious Bayesian statistical research programs running and Fable is on another level than 4.8. It feels like Andrew Gelman is supervising it. Even the vision model on Fable is superior to 4.8 which is great for having it digest research papers.

Would you say it is definitely catching bugs that Opus wouldn't?

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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I used up all my Fable credits over the weekend and looks like it’s completely reset as of today.

That's just going to be the weekly roll-over for you being well timed. I'm at 100% - quite annoying.

Ah, seems they've been resetting it again for all users.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Same. I don’t know what Mickey Mouse work people are doing that 4.8 is “enough”. CRUD apps maybe? I have some serious Bayesian statistical research programs running and Fable is on another level than 4.8. It feels like Andrew Gelman is supervising it. Even the vision model on Fable is superior to 4.8 which is great for having it digest research papers.

Would you say it is definitely catching bugs that Opus wouldn't?

(Not GP) I would, a lot of my work now is at the edge of what Fable is capable of and even then only with a lot of hand holding. Opus has no chance. I’ve been using Sol and that has been better than Fable in that it needs much less handholding and is much less likely to burn its tokens spinning its wheels.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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For coding Opus 4.8 with ultracode is near perfect and doesn't grind away as many tokens. Fable is advertised as 2x the tokens but in my experience it is closer to 5x what I burn with Opus 4.8.

I only use Fable on things Opus 4.8 would struggle too much with, and as my harness improves that’s less and less. That or they dialed up the intelligence on Opus.

This is no longer true in that I’ve now completed the bulk of my easy work the residual is the tough stuff that Opus cannot do and even Fable struggles with it.

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Would you say it is definitely catching bugs that Opus wouldn't?

(Not GP) I would, a lot of my work now is at the edge of what Fable is capable of and even then only with a lot of hand holding. Opus has no chance. I’ve been using Sol and that has been better than Fable in that it needs much less handholding and is much less likely to burn its tokens spinning its wheels.

Well I am doing some Bayesian stuff so I was curious what GP had to say too

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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I think it does. I know this is through Microsoft, but they give you a month free of Cowork which is currently Opus 4.8 (or at least they did for us) and I doubt we'd ever go back. When I say "we" it's the enterprise organisation "we", but this also where this sort of spending won't stop anyone. I can't go into exact details, but if our first month had not been free, then our most expensive user would've hit around $…

Your most expensive users consuming $1,000 dollars a month doesn't matter in the budget? That seems like FOMO activity or something, I feel like even big teams require proof of ROI for an investment like that (1M). BTW, the ROI of toilet paper + soap is pretty easy to prove (you GET to have employees if you provide those two things). FWIW we are a smaller company and we had a user run through 500$ in a DAY. Had to pu…

> Your most expensive users consuming $1,000 dollars a month doesn't matter in the budget?

An average employee cost around $30000 a month in my country. So it would be 3.3% in the budget for this single employee. I looked up average cost on a company our size and an IT budget of 5mil in Microsoft expences, and a max AI spending limit on 150k across the organisation would be a 5% increase of the IT budget on Microsoft services. Please note that these numbers are not ours, but averages from organisations in my area of the world.

Now I can say that the IT budget is one of the smaller budgets in non-tech enterprise. The cost of a 5% increase in the budget would not even trigger the audit margin for error in the big picture. I don't think you're necessarily wrong about the FOMO. I think that for many organisations this level of spending might trigger questions about why we aren't spending more.

This is the difference between small companies and enterprise. I once worked in a place that spent a million a year on unused Adobe licenses. The c-levels didn't even send an acknowledging reply to the email sent informing them it had been shut down.

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