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Spain is really going in the right direction, I wonder why no one countries inspire from what they are doing
I do agree blocking Palantir is a good move but the Spanish government is doing it for the wrong reason. Spain is storing all sort of data on Chinese servers, including their Intelligence, and Judicial wiretaps. https://www.politico.eu/article/spain-huawei-contract-judici...
The Spanish government trusting the CCP over Palantir is wild. The CCP's intolerant, cruel and authoritarian nature is a direct threat to humanity in ways that Peter Thiel could barely imagine in his darkest dreams. The lack of perspective on show here is astonishing. They are destroying trust with vital Western allies -- trust is gained in drops and lost in buckets -- and Lurch and his dodgy friends are clearly out…
Care to outline a few of those threats? The ones that Thiel allegedly cannot imagine?
I'm American, I get why Spain's feeling trepidation. I can't trust my own government with data if it could be used against me. I actively seek out Chinese translation, AI and search engines when I want privacy from the US. It's safer with the CCP than the geriatric nutjobs that fell off the Overton window.
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>Someone in ICE uses Microsoft Excel to maintain a list of people who they believe should be send to an internment camp. Therefore Microsoft is an accessory to that? Utterly disingenuous. Surveillance software is primarily sold to governments to spy on individuals. It doesn't exist for any reason except for the powerful to oppress the weak. >Where do you draw the line? "I just kept turning the heat up and the frog se…
Since when has Palantir sold surveillance software? They sell data integration software and they don't store, transfer or share customer's data. If surveillance software is your issue, then companies like Cisco or Huawei are provide the hardware and software. But like most technology, there is always potential to use it for things we disagree with politically or personally.
Uh-huh? Which is used for what?
>they don't store, transfer or share customer's data.
LOL. Yeah, that's the issue, here.
>If surveillance software is your issue, then companies like Cisco or Huawei are provide the hardware and software.
Whataboutism? Sure, I have no problem lobbing the same criticism at them.
The Spanish government trusting the CCP over Palantir is wild. The CCP's intolerant, cruel and authoritarian nature is a direct threat to humanity in ways that Peter Thiel could barely imagine in his darkest dreams. The lack of perspective on show here is astonishing. They are destroying trust with vital Western allies -- trust is gained in drops and lost in buckets -- and Lurch and his dodgy friends are clearly out…
Spain is really going in the right direction, I wonder why no one countries inspire from what they are doing
I do agree blocking Palantir is a good move but the Spanish government is doing it for the wrong reason. Spain is storing all sort of data on Chinese servers, including their Intelligence, and Judicial wiretaps. https://www.politico.eu/article/spain-huawei-contract-judici...
Yes, it's still bad but they are not as stupid to just have their servers located in China for this.
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Its what the US wants, and honestly at this point we should just completely cordon off the US from the rest of the world and give it to them.
Why don't you stop using American sites and services now then? I see comments like this a lot but no one wants to be personally inconvenienced to stop using hn/youtube/reddit/whatever.
So it is what you want.
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Right now you either give it to China or to the US. China is not publicly threatening to invade the EU. I think the EU needs to produce this themselves but right now they don’t and they don’t have any large, trustworthy allies.
so.. hand over your data to china to spite orange man. yes excellent move.
China is also probably bad, but currently there’s no evidence they’re as bad as US/Israel
They seem to have been granting contracts to manage all kinds of critical data to Huawei's Palantir equivalent lately, so it's probably less about security risks and more about the current source of the bribe money. If they cared about security they would not outsource this kind of stuff to foreign companies. Spain is not Somalia, why not let Indra do it?
> Spain is not Somalia, why not let Indra do it? foreigners are a bit more likely to be loyal to the government and not some separatist opposition? or at least the companies corruption will be quite separate from what impacts the local government this also came up with the 6th gen fighter designs between france and germany. it works when theres a non-european driving, because both trust the non-europe option more tha…
Yes, to their own government! Both China and USA have laws to force companies to insert backdoors. These laws have been enforced numerous times. If you think this is a smaller risk than doing things nationally, then indeed you're basically arguing that Spain is Somalia, there are separatist forces roaming around, the country can't enforce its own laws and the government needs to sell everything to foreign governments to stay in power. This is not the case (for now).
They seem to have been granting contracts to manage all kinds of critical data to Huawei's Palantir equivalent lately, so it's probably less about security risks and more about the current source of the bribe money. If they cared about security they would not outsource this kind of stuff to foreign companies. Spain is not Somalia, why not let Indra do it?
>Spain is not Somalia, why not let Indra do it? The data may be safer with the CCP, at least they won't lose it.
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Dunno, losing it maybe safer from a citizen's POV.
Odd take. 99.99999% of citizens will never travel to China, so it matters not that the Chinese govt holds their data. A local company losing the data screws everyone. Palantir getting the data screws everyone, because while foreign, that data will eventually be fed into global systems like VISA, Mastercard, etc, and affect your travel in numerous countries that will be outsourcing their systems to Palantir.