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Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by theptip »

HyperL0gi wrote: post #29

Here is a trend I'm noticing: - GPT-5 mini costs $0.25/$2 and will be discontinued in December. - GPT-5.4 mini costs $0.75/$4.5 and is supposed to be the replacement. - GPT-5.4 nano costs $0.2/$1.25 and, while it ranks better in benchmarks than GPT-5 mini, it's not even close when you test it in real scenarios. So you're left being forced to go to GPT 5.4 mini if you use 5 mini today. The same thing is happening here…

> Maybe it’s the realization that it was never that cheap in the first place and they're forcing us to upgrade in a slow and painful way.

All the analysis I have seen points to frontier models being profitable to serve. It’s using 50% or more of your GPUs for research plus CapEx for capacity expansion that makes these businesses so heavily cash-negative.

What you are observing is downstream of another detail. It gets more expensive to serve a model as utilization goes down. Plus the opportunity cost vs newer, more-profitable models.

There are plenty of valid reasons to critique here. “OpenAI is lying about this being a sustainable price to serve” is not one of them.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by theptip »

paxys wrote: post #59
wolttam wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have no need for Anthropic/OpenAI's frontier model capability, you may be better served with an open-weight model that can't be taken away. Edit: > GPT-5 does the job. I bring up DeepSeek V4 Flash a lot on HN, but I want to mention that according to Artificial Analysis, it trades blows with GPT-5 (high) (from August, 2025) [0] [0]: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/comparisons/deepseek-v4...

Unless you are hosting it yourself on your own infrastructure it absolutely can be taken away.

No. As long as you downloaded the weights, you can run them somewhere.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by mchusma »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #179
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #158

Like Mythos before it, I'm simply not excited about a model I can't use

At least they plan to give the public all versions. Feels infinitely better than whatever the hell is happening at Anthropic. > "Yeah, we've got the absolute best model out there. Trust us. Truly scary." > "O-ok? May I see it?" > "Gtfo. Here's a worse version of it for you plebs." > "Um, thanks?" > "Lmao, actually no. The current admin fell for our scare marketing. Here, have this even worse crazy expensive token bur…

I don't see this as that different. Anthropic was the first one to get involved in the "AI models must be approved" regime. OpenAI just has the advantage of being second.

(To be clear: I do not like this new paradigm)

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by ant-kinesthetic »

How much dynamic routing do we think is being done here, especially in light of the cheaper options be 2x less cost than 5.5. I think learned routing is interesting because it could be the case that it only works as a way to get token and cost efficiency for in distribution tasks (like these benchmarks), yet on real world scenarios it could trend towards the same cost as the Sol cost.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by theptip »

paxys wrote: post #37
HyperL0gi wrote: post #29

Here is a trend I'm noticing: - GPT-5 mini costs $0.25/$2 and will be discontinued in December. - GPT-5.4 mini costs $0.75/$4.5 and is supposed to be the replacement. - GPT-5.4 nano costs $0.2/$1.25 and, while it ranks better in benchmarks than GPT-5 mini, it's not even close when you test it in real scenarios. So you're left being forced to go to GPT 5.4 mini if you use 5 mini today. The same thing is happening here…

It’s the same as the SaaS model. Price keeps going up, and to justify it they keep forcing you to upgrade to new versions with features that nobody asked for.

“More intelligence” is the new feature. Almost everyone is asking for this.

Citation: have you looked at OAI and Anthropic’s customer growth numbers?

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by charcircuit »

adrianN wrote: post #115
atherton94027 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For all intents and purposes you'll be able to move an open weight model wherever you want. I really dislike this rhetoric, you sound like the FSF guys who are like "you're not free until you're running coreboot with zero binary blobs". Sure they have a point but also, most people are fine running regular linux.

Most FSF guys actually have very nuanced views on the topic and you’re doing everyone a disservice by reducing it to an extremist sound bite.

It is the FSF itself who has these extremist views.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by smokel »

devmor wrote: post #212
tontinton wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep this is a glimpse into the future of 500+ t/s, which is in my opinion the next big thing that validates Jevon's paradox (the models are already smart enough)

“Smart enough” really depends on how many other people have encountered a problem close enough to yours and solved it somewhere on the open internet, IMO. Most of the frontier models can, when prompted and tooled correctly, do a lot of “reasoning” tasks that amount to resolving how the user has explained a particular widely known paradigm. The more difficult and obscure the issues you provide them with, the faster yo…

This may have been the case one year ago, but with contemporary models such as Opus, I run into this less often.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by throwitaway222 »

Time to create more LLM based startups.

  * House design plans from prompts
  * Government surveillance of public communication
  * Extracting world/spatial concepts from language models (do we really need a world/spatial models now?)
  * Driverless City planning startups
  * Election vote rigging/harvesting startups
  * Video game NPC backstory startups (all NPCs in GTA 6 go to work, go home, shower, go to sleep now?)
Keep moving don't doom.
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