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Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by nonethewiser »

endominus wrote: post #232
yodsanklai wrote: post #194

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> can have views on all four quadrants but you'd never know that if I end up in any of all four Curious of examples of views falling on all four quadrants (not close to the center) without too much cognitive dissonance.

"The government has the right to force people to take vaccines against their will for the sake of public safety." - Authoritarian Left "The government has no right to legislate that a woman cannot have an abortion - women should control their own bodies." - Libertarian Left "The government has the right and responsibility to shut down sources of misinformation in the news and online." - Authoritarian Right "Capitalis…

> "The government has no right to legislate that a woman cannot have an abortion - women should control their own bodies." - Libertarian Left

This classification depends on the aborted NOT being a person. If it’s a person then the libertarian position would be anti abortion because an abortion would maximally harm the individual liberty of that person.

I think a clearer example of lib/left is gay marriage or drug legalization.

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Post by teravor »

nonethewiser wrote: post #258
teravor wrote: post #257

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I don't think this is what I had in mind. the questions are extremely leading and on the nose, designed to elicit ideology more than anything intrinsic about the subject's actual preferences. also it should not apply to just the US. if I designed an IQ test like they designed those questions, it would be considerably worse than just giving a simple math test.

Could you give any example questions? I know what you mean about leading questions. It almost seems inevitable. There are two sets of languages.

without much thought put into it, something like:

    an accused murderer has been convicted with a probability of X% of having committed the deed. a sentence of death is warranted for X of:

    1) Never warranted / unrealistic percentage
    2) >99.9
    3) >99
    4) >97
    5)

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Post by atomicnumber3 »

gherkinnn wrote: post #237
patrickmay wrote: post #198

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I find the Nolan Chart ( https://www.theadvocates.org/political-type-comparison/ ) to be a better version of the 2D compass. You're absolutely right that more dimensions would be better, but finding the right orthogonal ones is difficult. The Nolan Chart is superior to the simplistic left vs right of U.S. political discourse in part because it shows there is more variation than the major parties would like everyone t…

It says that I am very progressive, and yet I find that wing's usual baggage laughable. Monty Python knew it all along, the Judaea's Peoples Front are the worst, it's every man's right to have babies and anyway, what have the Romans ever done for us?

The site is clearly libertarian, so they have a vested interest in trying to dunk on both the "left" and "right". When in actuality they're just lumpenproletariat who are going to get run over by the only people who have actual freedom in this country.

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Post by marcus_holmes »

If Anthony Albanese is smack in the middle of the graph, then the Overton window for the graph is in the wrong place. Australia is quietly very authoritarian [0] and Albanese oversaw the implementation of the age verification system, a gift to future authoritarians.

[0] It's all about having a beer at a barbie on the beach, right? Except all of that is illegal.

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Post by strken »

nonethewiser wrote: post #253
strken wrote: post #220

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The political compass always seems to me like it should be a heatmap, or a polygon of 90th percentile political views, or something that more clearly shows the standard deviation and the presence of outlier positions. Some simplification is necessary, but not so much that it obscures the difference between a normal centrist versus someone who wants to nationalise half the economy and deregulate the other half.

Isnt nationalizing half the economy the limiting factor? Obviously thats not libertarian regardless of anything you deregulate.

A socialist might object that deregulating private enterprise (and let's add lowering taxes, moving to a flat tax rate, cutting programs, etc.) is obviously not socialist regardless of anything you nationalise. And they would be right!

But this person, who is neither socialist nor libertarian, is obviously not a normal centrist either.

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Post by yogorenapan »

avarun wrote: post #259
crooked-v wrote: post #205

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The Democratic Party is a center-right conservative† party by the standards of much of the world. † As distinct from the wildly regressive stated policies of the "conservative" Republicans.

This is reddit-tier analysis that is commonly repeated and completely incorrect. The Democratic Party in America has policy positions that are significantly to the left of left-wing parties around the world, as well as positions to the right. Any political analysis that doesn't recognize this has major shortcomings. To give an example, Democratic-run states in the US have significantly more permissive abortion polici…

Social left, economic right

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Post by el_io »

input_sh wrote: post #153
jimbokun wrote: post #98

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Haven’t been on Twitter for a while, but I remember Grok being good at fact checking conversations. Just @grok a question and an answer from Grok shows up in the conversation with sources cited.

No it does not. Extremely simple to prove: https://xcancel.com/grok/with_replies

Well it used to be, then elon had to lobotomize it many times.

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Post by throw4847285 »

layman51 wrote: post #224
throw4847285 wrote: post #114

The political compass is terrible, full stop. It is a meme in the classic sense. It has colonized some people's view on what politics in direct proportion to how stupid it is (stupid is simple and simple is viral).

The chart in the original post is also throwing me off because it shows Barack Obama as a reference point in the libertarian and left quadrant. But if you look at the official Political Compass site, Obama was in the upper right quadrant (though closer to the origin than others). The Political Compass person even explained it as something about how in the USA, the Democratic Party is seen as “left-wing” but it is act…

If I believe the concept to be rotten to its core, why would I care that this particular study got some detail wrong. That's like saying, "Oh, you are wrong that INTJs are like XYZ, according to the original MBTI test, they are like ZYX."

Actually, there is something to the comparison between the political compass and the MBTI.

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Post by hogehoge51 »

mrhottakes wrote: post #24
hogehoge51 wrote: post #6

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Your multimeter reads out voltage relative to the black terminal, it's your responsibility to find the ground plane.

My multimeter doesn't need me to tell it how much a volt is or feed it subjective measurements of what resistance means

The convention for what a volt and ohm is has reached a steady state consensus, so the political debate there is minimal, and multimeters of the world can stand united.

OTOH, your laser distance meter may need you to set it in metric or imperial.

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