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Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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Local food markets offer much better options than Pret to be fair

A great Pret baguette is like £5. Food from a food market is £10 or more these days. They massively increased in price after covid.

Fortnum and Mason were cheaper than food markets for quite a while.

Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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What's the purpose of the process?

Irrelevant to the question at hand: Are UK court proceedings secret.

I think it's quite important. If they make it hard to get the information, that's soft censorship.

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I guess one of the people who made their millions and retired should do it

Sounds hard to do from a yacht...

With Starlink, now CEOs can use AI to make decisions from any water in the world!

Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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I'm not sure I follow. Ideally your bare metal machines have an easy bare OS with some config that is easy to repave, and are ephemeral-ish (not a lot of state). Your "machine for testing" would be a container. Decommissioning a container is easy. Decommissioning a physical machine only happens when it's obsolete.

sigh Not everything in the world is containers. Applications running outside of container still exist in many companies for various reasons including political ones.

Yeah this - I know my container is pushing a lot of things to containers (I think customer-facing web stuff is a reasonable use for containers) but stuff like ActiveDirectory controllers, Exchange servers - pretty much any Microsoft thing running on Windows - will continue to run on a VM for the forseable future.

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Before my vacation we (3 colleagues and myself) completedan 8 months long migration (coordination with stakeholders is longer and more complex than migrating a 192TB VM !!!) to 6 proxmox clusters so 20 to 40 clusters for 40k is certainly possible but imo it would be unwieldy.

> 192TB VM Why? Honest question, what leads to that Kind of size and why cant it use NAS shares or SAN disks for most of that data? Kudos on the migration!

I wish I knew ... at least it was a span volume so we could use proxmox support for vmdk and achieve about 30 minutes of planned downtime but a week of storage vmotion followed by another week of the proxmox equivalent.

When I get back to work I will finish the samba configuration of the ceph cluster front-ends to replace those elephants.

Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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Before my vacation we (3 colleagues and myself) completedan 8 months long migration (coordination with stakeholders is longer and more complex than migrating a 192TB VM !!!) to 6 proxmox clusters so 20 to 40 clusters for 40k is certainly possible but imo it would be unwieldy.

Would you do it again (ProxMox)?

The FC multipathing was a learning experience and the manual workload placement requires good metrics on your workloads. The built-in ceph is decently configured and more performant than FC if you have 100GBS mellanox NICs and adequate quantity of ram. Veeam integration is serviceable but it's not as mature and polished as the integration available on vmware.

Having tried azure local before (it seems magical but the more you use it the worst it gets, update failed for no apparent reason on only some supposedlyidentical nodes, the sdn was atrocious to deploy and was manageable from wac only), I would recommend proxmox over it anyday.

If you don't have linux expertise on hand and have traditional FC based storage, I would recommend something else, probably nutanix if your budget is big enough.

Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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Would you do it again (ProxMox)?

The FC multipathing was a learning experience and the manual workload placement requires good metrics on your workloads. The built-in ceph is decently configured and more performant than FC if you have 100GBS mellanox NICs and adequate quantity of ram. Veeam integration is serviceable but it's not as mature and polished as the integration available on vmware. Having tried azure local before (it seems magical but the…

And if you had to do it one a normal human setup of three hosts and 15 total VMs, no fiber, no san, no special nics or anything like that, just tied in to an ordinary Veeam with the ssd storage on an immutable Linux machine elsewhere?

Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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Why a retailer needs 40k servers? What are they serving? To whom? What is wrong with system designers these days? Are they designing or just selling?

Lots of these machines are dynamically created and provisioned depending on load factors nowadays. The days of manually setting up servers in hyperscaling-environments are long long gone. Example: Your GitLab CICD needs Runners. They are dynamically requested "somewhere in our cloud somwhere in the world" and then spun up and configures fully automatically. No human touches this stuff anymore.

"No human touches this stuff anymore." And then Clown Strike happens ... amplified by Opus and "agile" BS.

Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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”Tesco, a retail conglomerate headquartered in the United Kingdom” For any non Uk people, it’s the largest supermarket in Uk. Combination of large stores and smaller high street convenience stores. (2nd largest was owned by Walmart who sold it recently to private equity and so now it’s saddled with debt and being ruined…).

And it has no US comparison. The tesco meal deal concept, the literal wall of choices, just doesnt exist in north america. I did a big work trip to the UK a couple years back with over 100 people. I tried to explain meal deals and nobody believed me. Then our people basically stripped the meal deal shelves of the tesco express beside our hotel.

Not ashamed to say that visiting the UK again for the first time in about 12 years, getting some Boots/Tesco/Greggs meal deals was on my to-do list. Something I missed moving to Australia. Not that they are _good_, just that they are so readily available, cheap, and have a lot of choices. Woolworths in AU have started doing premade sandwiches, but they are just bad, and don't come in a deal. I doubt they would even try to hit the A$10 price range if they ever did introduce deals.

Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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post #227

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I'm not sure I follow. Ideally your bare metal machines have an easy bare OS with some config that is easy to repave, and are ephemeral-ish (not a lot of state). Your "machine for testing" would be a container. Decommissioning a container is easy. Decommissioning a physical machine only happens when it's obsolete.

sigh Not everything in the world is containers. Applications running outside of container still exist in many companies for various reasons including political ones.

Okay, but that's not at all what this thread is about? We're talking about having a VM intermediary between containers and bare metal. Not applicable to cases where you don't have containers because your workloads aren't fit for them.
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