sounds really cool if it was coming out of anywhere except China, which has laws to exfiltrate your data and send it back to the government for espionage purposes [0].
[0] https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-chin...
MiMo Code is now released and open-source
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#262Reading "xiaomi"in the headline I was thrilled to see MiMo only to find out it's NOT this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIMO
What a disappointment!
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Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.
After 16 years on Hacker News, I've come to associate its readership with cheap bastards who think everything should be free while simultaneously wanting to keep their 6-figure jobs. There's a very strong overlap with male gamers, who also think everything involving sophisticated engineering and design should be cheaper than a cup of coffee. Just call it out and maybe we can collectively choose to towards a culture t…
If you see this as people just want free stuffs you are missing the point. There is an entire different level of danger to allow a few entities to completely own a day to day technology.
Imagine personal computers and open source operating systems completely don’t exist. What you can do on a pc today, you have to always do it on a thin client always connected to a main frame run by a selected few. Everything you do is recorded and subjected to at least 30 days of retention and inspection.
Imagine every car is completely not customer serviceable and have to be connected to one of the three manufacturers in order to operate. Everywhere you go is recorded. The manufacturer may decided the place you want to go is inappropriate for you to go.
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> cloud providers should be commodity They are already. > and should open source all of their platforms Most of the cloud platforms are open source. Linux, container, k8s… it’s entirely possible for someone to build and deploy their private cloud if they have the resources. > and eliminate egress fees What does it mean? If I sign up for cloud service I am only bound to the contract terms. If I am PAYGO I can switch a…
> Most of the cloud platforms are open source. Linux, container, k8s… Linux isn't a cloud platform and neither is Docker. Kubernetes was created specifically to create a way in against AWS' de facto public cloud monopoly. The Cloud Native Compute Foundation is a classic "alliance of smaller players uses open-source and interoperability as a wedge against an incumbent that threatens hegemony". > it’s entirely possible…
I never say these pieces are the equivalent of a cloud platform. What I said is that with them, it is entirely possible for someone to build their own.
Why someone wants to do that is not my concern. But not being able to is.
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Ooooo... I now realize the trick. It's a mental play... give 1000x of "credits" but charge in same old tokens.
I prefer this to Anthropics "in the next 5 hours you have X tokens to spend, and we are not going to tell you what X is" Here token price is model price + busy hours surcharge, and BTW nowhere near 1000x
No doubt this is better than Anthropics... and yes, I computed the ratio again: it's 38.92 (at least based on what's shown in my dashboard).
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What?
China is giving away AI for free so it’s harder to make money. The same strategy they did with solar panels. Sell them at a loss long enough until the manufacturers go out of business and you’re the only one surviving. Then flip to extract monopoly profits
Instead we got home solar system become very affordable over the past decade.
And driving out US manufacturers isn’t even the main goal for China. They know their huge risk on reliance on petroleum and was doing everything they can to mitigate that. Building out a huge solar manufacturing base is their answer. Now they are reducing petro imports YoY.
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#267Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.
Because there is literally nothing special about coding hardnesses. The models are doing all the lifting. It just user experience that separates them. A coding hardness with just bash outperforms Codex, Claude Code, OpenCode, Pi ect. The added features are just user experience features.
I would disagree here.
Building a good and working coding harness with smaller models is really hard. Everything evolves around the limited context size.
Tools must be specification driven to reduce noise and high temp hallucinations, tool call shrinking needs to remove errors and tryouts of different formats of parameters (because LLMs always ignore descriptions in the JSON...), and you have to deal with long running agents because you can't afford them. Planner/orchestrator architecture, agent to agent communication need to be summarized, and then you have the messed up scheduling parts, because you need to prioritize short running agents and give the planner a tool to wait for outputs of spawned contractor agents.
And that's not even talking about sandbox vs playground read/write/access policies of tools.
Harness engineering, if done correctly, is quite hard.
And all of this works 60% of the time, every time.
Anyways, that was somewhat the summary of the last 6 months building my exocomp agentic environment. And it's still not satisfying to work with.
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#268Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.
> Why would a company do any of these things? What? It’s actually insane that they haven’t yet. I don’t like changing tools. What engineer does? I want to learn one tool and tune it to my exact preferences. Proprietary vendor tools are not portable and I avoid them. Either Anthropic or OpenAI could drop the first-to-market open coding harness tomorrow and it would be as big as VSCode, it would be the standard platfor…
MS releasing VS code led to Cursor reaping $60B in value.
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A harness(notice the lack of a 'd') is a strap system to gain control over something. Like the thing people attach a dog lead to so that their kids won't just go kamikaze into a car. Coding harnesses are named by analogy to that. They are not hard.
The reason I have a dog harness is to distributes weight so I don't choke her when she goes at the other dog that she doesn't like. I'm actually puzzling over kids kamikazeing into cars
It's actually only a problem if it's the other way around, isn't it?
If kids run into a car, they will most probably just bounce and continue, perhaps inflicting some minor damage. But if a car mows down a kid, that could well be a fatal injury. Leashes for all the cars! ;)
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