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Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Post by bsimpson »

arjie wrote: post #31

This is such a fascinating referendum. The population is at 9.1m, and at 9.5m it appears they'll stall asylum and family reunification, and at 10m they'll execute a Swexit - Switzerland isn't in the EU but it allows freedom of movement to EU nationals. Boy it is interesting to see what's going on in the world right now. There were so many things that I saw growing up as relatively solid but I just happened to grow up…

I was a teenager when 9/11 happened.

Until that point, I thought wars were a stupid thing that humanity realized were stupid and stopped doing.

Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Post by wat10000 »

philipallstar wrote: post #227
bootsmann wrote: post #184

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> more people with certain skills (if you're filtering based on that) This is how freedom of movement works, yes, and it's a key reason why our country is so rich.

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I get hard working and low crime, but why does homogeneity make a country rich?

Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Post by [deleted] »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #216
ericmay wrote: post #187

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This was the OP: > It wouldn’t be full Chexit. Just renegotiating and then rejecting the Schengen chapter. It would then be up to the EU to execute its Guillotine clause. My terminology was matching what was used here.

Sorry, nobody in the know would interpreted "Chexit" to mean "leave the EU" for the obvious reason that Switzerland is not in the EU.

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Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #253
ericmay wrote: post #161

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This is not pointlessly argumentative, this is just downright trolling.

Did you mean to reply here? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48451674

Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Post by t0mas88 »

throw-the-towel wrote: post #182
Schiendelman wrote: post #164

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That's almost laughably infrequent - you can use single level trains with more doors to triple that without even going to automation.

Has any railway network managed to get less than 15 minute headways? Metros don't count, they're isolated and often enclosed.

Jup, quite common in the Netherlands. There are 10 minute trains from Utrecht to Amsterdam. And form Rotterdam and Den Haag to Schiphol. And from Utrecht to Den Bosch and Eindhoven.

Most of these are double decker trains and long platforms so they move a lot of people at once.

Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Post by rayiner »

duped wrote: post #215
philipallstar wrote: post #128

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> There were so many things that I saw growing up as relatively solid but I just happened to grow up in an era of European unity and American primacy European unity works well in a world of mostly-stable populations. Having mass migrations from large, relatively empty countries, to pretty full ones, is going to make the full ones increasingly expensive to make housing for, to power, and to water.

Global freedom of movement was an inalienable right until European colonial powers noticed some of their colonies' peoples wanted to move to Europe. Large scale global movement is indicative of failure to uplift the globe from violence, poverty, and climate change. It makes a lot more sense to me for the global powers who don't want mass migration to do something to fix its causes instead of retreating inward and suc…

> Global freedom of movement was an inalienable right until European colonial powers noticed some of their colonies' peoples wanted to move to Europe.

What an absurd assertion. Where did you learn that? Read up about Roman border control and immigration policy, and what they required of immigrants into Roman territory.

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Post by panick21_ »

bapo wrote: post #146

Swiss here and able to vote. In fact, just posted my voting letter today, before taking a 1h bike ride through the biggest city in Switzerland, having lots of space and freedom biking around in our beautiful city. When taking the train to my parents house, I pass several farms and landly smaller cities. Alot of free space in between those, train mostly has spare seats, depending on rush hour timings. There usually ar…

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Post by tonfa »

spockz wrote: post #225
throw-the-towel wrote: post #182

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Has any railway network managed to get less than 15 minute headways? Metros don't count, they're isolated and often enclosed.

At some point we had 10m intercity intervals between Rotterdam/utrecht and Utrecht/Amsterdam in NL.

Seems like it's 4 per hour on Rotterdam/Utrecht, seems similar to Geneva/Lausanne with 6 per hour.

In any case, I think commuters are fine with every 15 min, as long as there's enough seats. (for long distance like trains, my feeling is that frequency below 15min doesn't have a lot of impact, unlike shorter distance public transport like tram/bus/subway)

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Post by netsharc »

wat10000 wrote: post #262
philipallstar wrote: post #227

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I get hard working and low crime, but why does homogeneity make a country rich?

It's a dog whistle for "if a country's racial identity remained pure everything would've been fine".
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