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Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

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Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

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Post by chownie »

pembrook wrote: post #194
chownie wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He wants the thing. He does not value the thing at 1300 dollars so he would not buy it for 1300 dollars. He found it for a lower value, he kept it because the point at the start was he wanted the thing. On the topic of HN users, is it our collective first day on earth?

The point is it's irrational behavior. And we all do it. It's burning $5 in gas and $20 in time to go to a store further away and save $25 on a sale item. And then proudly bragging "I'm not like those idiots who pay full price!" OP didn't find a record...he found a $1300 arbitrage, then decided to spend the proceeds on the record by keeping it. In other words, this is why selling stuff to consumers is a nightmare. Yo…

As kindly as I can, your comment is 100% the irrational behaviour.

Everyone who's replied thus far has fallen into the same trap, you saw money and you forgot the value of the actual thing he wanted. Now he has the thing, you're still stuck talking and thinking about the money.

This comment section sees two guys trading a briefcase of dollars bills all day long as a roaring economy. Somehow completely blind to the human.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

ConceptJunkie wrote: post #210
Capricorn2481 wrote: post #71

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You are very off here. People have been playing music in their cars and in clubs for decades, and a lot of them play tracks that predate the loudness wars. If anything, people are more isolated than ever and have much better headphones and speakers than even 10 years ago. You're conflating regular compression with the insanely over the top mastering people started doing. This goes way beyond keeping people off the vo…

> how to make it sound as loud as possible without sounding compressed. .. which is ironic, because the end result usually sounded terrible. You know, overly compressed.

Yes it was a race to the bottom that nobody was winning. A lot of plugin developers were marketing Limiters around how transparent they sounded. It was a weird time.

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Post by a96 »

svelle wrote: post #80
hurtigioll wrote: post #75

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people said "it's impossible to separate tracks (voice, bass, ...) after they are mixed". true in theory, but neural-networks can separate them in practice same here, but there is no real market for somebody to bother yet

> but neural-networks can separate them in practice That's a massive stretch. They are able separate them sort of, but they are nowhere close the original quality of the individual tracks.

The result is a convincing fake. Enough for many uses, but it's not the "source".

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Post by a96 »

badgersnake wrote: post #93
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #92

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Using "literally" doesn't make your comment factual; it's one reason, but also I just think they're neat. That is, they're more collectible than CDs in my opinion. Bigger packaging for better artwork, something physical and relatively sturdy, etc.

Vinyl? Sturdy? Please.

Maybe compared to the CD "jewel" cases.

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Post by badgersnake »

a96 wrote: post #264
badgersnake wrote: post #93

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Vinyl? Sturdy? Please.

Maybe compared to the CD "jewel" cases.

Better than shellac I guess.

Jewel cases are fragile, but they’re largely standard and can be easily replaced if the crack or the dots in the middle snap off. It has no bearing on the artwork or the music itself.

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Post by antonvs »

kkkqkqkqkqlqlql wrote: post #231
functionmouse wrote: post #139

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CDs were most commonly played in cars on the loud highway

You know, there are more countries than the US.

You should try spending some time in the US, to discover just how irrelevant that is to most USians. It's an eye-opening level of parochialism.

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Post by antonvs »

ssl-3 wrote: post #238
functionmouse wrote: post #215

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> and be fine. lolno those things were a finicky failure prone analog nightmare.

Compared to what? CDs that would skip on movement or scratch and skip worse? CD-R that would delaminate? Vinyl records? The continuous-loop abomination of 8-track? Compact cassette tapes were profoundly robust compared to everything else.

> CD-R that would delaminate?

What kind of cheap-ass CD-R discs were you buying?

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Post by pwarner »

jonhohle wrote: post #169
rglullis wrote: post #165

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If the mix is the bigger issue, why does the media format matter?

I read that as: SACD customers expect a better mix. The format is only relevant in that it requires audiophile level dedication and money to use the format in the first place. Not dissimilar to vinyl before its recent boom. I have an SACD setup, but for what I want to listen to, everything is out of print and secondary market is insane. Players can be found relatively cheaply at thrift stores (many don’t bluray and m…

You got it. Yeah some older SACDs are simply not available at any price it seems.

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Post by rglullis »

pwarner wrote: post #269
jonhohle wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read that as: SACD customers expect a better mix. The format is only relevant in that it requires audiophile level dedication and money to use the format in the first place. Not dissimilar to vinyl before its recent boom. I have an SACD setup, but for what I want to listen to, everything is out of print and secondary market is insane. Players can be found relatively cheaply at thrift stores (many don’t bluray and m…

You got it. Yeah some older SACDs are simply not available at any price it seems.

Can't you find these higher quality mixes in digital format (FLAC, ALAC, high-bitrate Vorbis or MP3) directly?
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