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Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Apple? The company that has built its entire brand and product lines around "we know what's best for you and if you don't like the way we've done it, you're wrong"?

Yes. We expect the company that prides itself on having taste to avoid doing tasteless things.

Apple hasn't had good taste in probably a decade and a half now. Their recent UI redesign solidifies it.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Why do people have to go to this, to turn off the AI slop?

is gmail a paid service?

> is gmail a paid service?

Yes it is.

We pay $6-$14 per user per mo, for the privilege of dealing with GMail's foistware.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Overly aggrieved style of writing. There's some prompts in Gmail to use AI. These are supposedly indictments of the author's writing or intellect? Anyway, the setting is in General and then Cmd-F "smart" and turn everything off.

Unfortunately, this also turns off the Primary/Promotions/Social/Updates categorization.

But so does the author's solution of switching to Fastmail so surely that's not a non-negotiable feature. Manual labeling and filtering still works.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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post #210

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The most frustrating thing to me is to receive a 5-paragraph-plus email that was clearly written with some AI that filled in the email with vapid and useless talking points, like "Let me know if you need any other blah blah blah; While there is clearly a need for system improvement, we are working hard to address the underlying and fundamental issue; This is a lesson that it's not just a feature, it's a critical path…

Specifically, lets imagine LLMs as compilers - you're passing your prompt through to get some pretty language at the end. Don't send me your compiled code, send me your prompt. Let it be rude, if the wording is awkward I guarantee I can understand it just as well as an LLM, ignore the fact that my daughter just graduated and offering hallucinated platitudes. Send me the actual question, don't make me try and decompil…

I wonder if slight grammar incorrectness (like not capitalizing your sentences or using abbreviations) is going to start becoming a signal of authenticity for people subconsciously. Maybe it already has.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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post #198

Overly aggrieved style of writing. There's some prompts in Gmail to use AI. These are supposedly indictments of the author's writing or intellect? Anyway, the setting is in General and then Cmd-F "smart" and turn everything off.

> the setting is in General and then Cmd-F "smart" and turn everything off. Once done, users still get the... "Press / for Help me write" or "Press / to write using your GMail and Drive" ...prompt, crapped onto every new email. Find the lever to disable that; I dare you.

uBlock Origin. The easy customizability of web applications is why I prefer them over other proprietary applications when there are no open source choices.

In this particular case, if the whole UI is irredeemable, you can access your mail with IMAP or POP.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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I can appreciate LLMs for some use cases, but writing emails for the user is the one that really baffles me. It's one thing if you don't speak English well and could use some help making yourself understood, but the amount of native speakers using this is so strange to me. How does this help you? If you can write to the LLM telling it what kind of email to write, you might as well just write the email.

It's insecurity. They worry they might be saying something dumb and the LLM gives them assurance that it sounds "better" and "more professional."

And they will just get worse at writing anything by depending on it. Soon enough practically nobody will be able to write.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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post #210

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The most frustrating thing to me is to receive a 5-paragraph-plus email that was clearly written with some AI that filled in the email with vapid and useless talking points, like "Let me know if you need any other blah blah blah; While there is clearly a need for system improvement, we are working hard to address the underlying and fundamental issue; This is a lesson that it's not just a feature, it's a critical path…

Specifically, lets imagine LLMs as compilers - you're passing your prompt through to get some pretty language at the end. Don't send me your compiled code, send me your prompt. Let it be rude, if the wording is awkward I guarantee I can understand it just as well as an LLM, ignore the fact that my daughter just graduated and offering hallucinated platitudes. Send me the actual question, don't make me try and decompil…

if you are prompting such that the LLM isn't pulling context that the recipient doesn't have access to, then your email is likely marginal.

ie the prompt "Send 'bob' an email with a description of why the VPN bridge isn't working so they can debug their side" is a mostly useless as a prompt for anyone, it's only useful when the LLM has all the context of some analysis of the particular issue and what is going on and then injects it into the email.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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My interpretation leans towards: Gmail Thinks I'm Lazy.

LLMs have made one thing clear: intellectual laziness is even more pervasive than we previously thought, even among "knowledge workers".

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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> the setting is in General and then Cmd-F "smart" and turn everything off. Once done, users still get the... "Press / for Help me write" or "Press / to write using your GMail and Drive" ...prompt, crapped onto every new email. Find the lever to disable that; I dare you.

uBlock Origin. The easy customizability of web applications is why I prefer them over other proprietary applications when there are no open source choices. In this particular case, if the whole UI is irredeemable, you can access your mail with IMAP or POP.

> uBlock Origin.

I did try this without success.

> if the whole UI is irredeemable, you can access your mail with IMAP or POP.

I access my mail across a doz machines - and I support scores of users. Setting up stand-alone/3rd party clients (at scale) is a bit unwieldy.

The bad actor here turns out to be the Chrome browser. Every other browser behaves better in this.

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