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What if remote working, not AI, is to blame for weak junior hiring?

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Re: What if remote working, not AI, is to blame for weak junior hiring?

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Post by voidUpdate »

qsera wrote: post #260
voidUpdate wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if I don't want to automate away the part of my job that I actually like doing? What if, in my job as a programmer, I actually want to do programming?

People who demand programmers start using LLMs in their work don't understand that it is essentially like asking programmers to start doing accounting or HR. Something fundamentally different from what they love to do..

Theyre asking programmers to become managers, asking another entity to do the work for them and check in every now and again to see how it's going

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Post by skinfaxi »

wqaatwt wrote: post #182
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Or.. they might have enjoyed their time at the office and want the new generation to have that experience as well: D

A lot of people are of the mind of "well I had to do it so why shouldn't you?" Look at the discussions around student loan forgiveness for an example.

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Post by Tade0 »

gedy wrote: post #141
bradleyy wrote: post #131

What if Financial Times has a vested interest in the real estate industry, and therefore wants RTO mandates? Something something AI I mean.

Yeah "work from home" largely means "work from more affordable real estate". Very very few people do I know who work from home do it for digital nomad type reasons. Everyone else is due to not being able to afford anything near the office.

Each and every parent of 4+ whom I worked with lived in the middle of nowhere and would only emerge from the deep woods for an occasional workshop a few times a year.

It's a lifestyle impossible if one has to show up an hour's drive away, every weekday.

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

mrweasel wrote: post #240
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #29

What if hiring offshore developers is to blame for not hiring onshore ones?

If remote work is to blame, wouldn't that also indicate that you couldn't outsource part of your work to lower salaried countries. A lot of companies have their senior staff at the home office, then outsource the more trivial tasks to e.g. India. Managing people is hard, managing remote people makes it hard to hide that you're a poor manager. If you want to allow for remote work, you need to invest in management trai…

I don't see that remote work (using domestic workers) is to blame for lack of hiring, although it does have other problems:

- Less collaboration/communication

- Kills local businesses

Yes, I was being sarcastic. Outsourcing is of course a huge jobs and money drain from the US, but CEOs and the FT don't want to admit this obvious fact - they'd prefer to blame AI or remote working.

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

I remember when companies would hire fresh out of uni (sometimes not even uni just enthusiastic), without experience, and then build them up brick by brick, into a competent developer. Contrast this to needing to be in the top 5 leetcode just to pass the HR screener, and then throwing into the deep end just so they can PIP you in 3 months because they didn’t give you any time and resources to train you up.

So now we have a gap, and the best fix we collectively came to was give senior developers AI so they didn’t need to hire fresh starts.

Gee… I wonder why we have a problem :shrug:

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Post by postexitus »

bradleyy wrote: post #131

What if Financial Times has a vested interest in the real estate industry, and therefore wants RTO mandates? Something something AI I mean.

Wow, took me 2 mins to scroll down to first anti-RTO comment - the sentiment is certainly shifting.

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Post by goda90 »

This is a pretty narrow anecdote but my employer prefers hiring right out of undergrad and training. They also were quite aggressive in ending remote work after Covid. I felt a lot better about the new developers I worked with before LLMs got big than I do now.

Re: What if remote working, not AI, is to blame for weak junior hiring?

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Post by KaiserPro »

madrox wrote: post #114

I worked at a fully remote company that did the best job hiring juniors in my 20 year career. The talent and enthusiasm in that pool was great and really injected something into teams. What changed was ZIRP ending. The layoffs from that were real, and the managers who can't hire a ton angle for more senior people instead. The junior culture changed overnight.

Ok, but if it was ZIRP, why are people hiring expensive seniors when they could hire 3/5 no name juniors for the same cost?
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