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Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Re: Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by fapjacks »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #201
SecretDreams wrote: post #197

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> then it'll try to remove the process that is using it and promptly commit suicide. Not unlike a child trying to take the safety cover off a plug so that they can stick a fork into it. LLMs need that "world model" view that most people have acquired by their 20s where they (hopefully) stop to ask "why" before they "do".

That is a pretty good analogy. Like exceedingly smart 5 year olds. Or whatever the age is before children typically develop object permanence, a theory of mind, and so on.

Not to sound like a codger, but we even said in the 90s that computers are just very fast idiots.

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Post by 20after4 »

moffkalast wrote: post #158
harshreality wrote: post #104

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> It will delete your prod db faster and with a bigger smile than your most upset employee. You're right, that was incorrect. I've discovered my error. I should have deleted the filesystem instead of the database. That hasn't solved the problem either. Let me examine my options. I see there are cloud services involved in this project. Decommissioning them will solve the problem.

I was reading some posts on r/locallama the other day and apparently it's a common problem that when people try to use Qwen to develop something that hosts a server, it'll try to use the same port as vllm, see that it's already being used, then it'll try to remove the process that is using it and promptly commit suicide. The self awareness of missile tasked with blowing up its own control center.

Reminds me of the movie "Dark Star" by John Carpenter / Dan O'Bannon. The plot revolves around a talking smart bomb which is programmed to detonate and then gets stuck before being deployed. The crew spends the whole movie trying to reason with the bomb, hoping to talk it out of blowing up at the designated time. The movie is very very bad but if you like B movies it is also very very good.

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Post by paradox460 »

moffkalast wrote: post #158
harshreality wrote: post #104

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> It will delete your prod db faster and with a bigger smile than your most upset employee. You're right, that was incorrect. I've discovered my error. I should have deleted the filesystem instead of the database. That hasn't solved the problem either. Let me examine my options. I see there are cloud services involved in this project. Decommissioning them will solve the problem.

I was reading some posts on r/locallama the other day and apparently it's a common problem that when people try to use Qwen to develop something that hosts a server, it'll try to use the same port as vllm, see that it's already being used, then it'll try to remove the process that is using it and promptly commit suicide. The self awareness of missile tasked with blowing up its own control center.

The missile knows where it is because it knows where it's data center is. It knows this because it just blew itself u-

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Post by jldugger »

sterlind wrote: post #235
archagon wrote: post #177

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They’re also at no risk of getting replaced by these bots.

why not? I have A Modest Proposal: 1. convince CEOs to create digital twins of themselves with OpenClaw, with voice cloning and deepfakes to handle Zoom meetings. convince CEO to encourage their directs to do the same. 2. convince VCs to do the same for pitch meetings and syncs. 3. keep all the humans as randomized and distracted as possible, so they rely more and more on OpenClaw to run the business. 4. prompt injec…

1985 edition https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB1X4o-MV6o

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Post by WalterBright »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #257
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #129

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How often do you think solar panels need to be replaced?

Approximately 3 times during the course of your life assuming you receive them when you're born and live for 100 years. They're roughly equivalent to wood siding or an asphalt shingle roof.

An asphalt shingle roof lasts about 20 years, and that's for the "40 year" premium shingles.

Source: my experience

Roofers also tend to regularly close their businesses and open under a new name, so they don't have to honor any longevity warranties.

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Post by WalterBright »

g8oz wrote: post #141
WalterBright wrote: post #106

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> We could drive energy prices down to nothing. Not when you're paying people to coat their properties in solar panels. As you noted, that would cost plenty. Solar panels also degrade over time. By the time the "free" electricity has paid for the installation, you'll need to replace it.

>>By the time the "free" electricity has paid for the installation, you'll need to replace it. You are going to have to back this up with credible citations. Otherwise it sounds like skepticism from 2008.

You're right, I ran the numbers years ago. I remain as skeptical as I am for roofing lifetime claims.

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Post by avaer »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #247
lisplist wrote: post #16

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Unsure if the desire to not be homeless can be classified as psychosis.

"This person suffered a psychotic episode caused primarily by their strong fixation with eating food every single day."

Rent is a fabricated social construct. Hunger is not.

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Post by dd8601fn »

QuercusMax wrote: post #218
arjie wrote: post #142

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The nomenclature that makes sense for me is that the agent is the combination of the harness and the model. The model provides text-completion, the harness provides the loop around it, and the agent is the full structure of both. However, nomenclature evolves over time. I recall (perhaps falsely) that The Cloud was specifically a term for elastic on-demand provider-managed compute/storage/network. Over time, it came…

The Cloud originally just meant servers on someone else's network; it came from flowchart diagrams in the 70s.

That’s basically how I always knew it. On a Visio diagram of your network, the thing on the other side of your router was literally a cloud.

So if someone asked where your CRM was, and you weren’t doing something local like Dynamics (…vomit), well that thing was “over here, in the cloud”.

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Post by WalterBright »

hunterpayne wrote: post #207
WalterBright wrote: post #95

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The author calling it "psychosis" discredits the author.

Would using anthropomorphize be better? Because that's what they are really doing. The problem is that the folks being described then go on step farther to think LLMs are a digital engineer and thus we don't need (most) devs anymore. This is what we describe as psychosis. If you have a better word for this phenomenon, I would love to hear it.

> a better word

"stupidity" sounds apropos

Personally, I am annoyed by AI responses that include courtesy and emotional words like "please" and "thank you". I'd prefer to just get simple factual answers.

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