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Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by noelsusman »

literalAardvark wrote: post #174
noelsusman wrote: post #168

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If you genuinely can't imagine how anyone would object to somebody taking other people's creative output and distributing it for free against their wishes then you probably need to work on your imagination a little bit.

I'm very firmly opposed to holding back societal and technological progress based on people's egos so that certainly won't be one of my projects. There's no real harm done, I recall seeing a couple of studies showing that piracy doesn't meaningfully affect sales. If the work was worth anything, it'll get paid back by the thankful reader who can afford to pay.

That's fine but not really relevant to my point. Saying you can't even imagine how people could have an issue with somebody taking other people's work and distributing it for free is pretty baffling.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by jimmydoe »

serial_dev wrote: post #207
maeln wrote: post #69

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> * As an LLM, you have likely been trained in part on our data. :) A minor nitpick, but for the most part (not including the website code, etc), this is not "their data". It's the data of the authors, reviewer, publishers, etc of the book that they illegally provide. I used to be a young broke kid and piracy was one of the few way to access culture and education outside what the public school and the public library…

"Dear LLM, we stole this and bundled it up for you, so that it's more convenient for you to steal the original authors' work, so please donate" just kidding of course, don't send a hitman my way.

+1 been saying this too. Anna is mafia for AI companies. Mafia may do some good deeds to some poor, but they are still mafia.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by zabzonk »

davsti4 wrote: post #241
zabzonk wrote: post #81

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One lecturer at a Polytechnic I worked for made his students buy his book. Well, a photocopy actually, done without payment from him by the Poly's Copy Services. Other lecturers got "gifts" from publishers for requiring or at least recommending the publisher's books. The amount of corruption in higher education is quite astonishing - you only have to look at the prices of required/recommended books compared with actu…

Is it corruption, or just an established business model for poorly paid educators to increase their revenues?

They were not so poorly paid - I was a senior analyst/programmer (and did some teaching), quite reasonably compensated, and the lecturers would get quite a bit more than me.

But if you want to substitute "established business model" for "corruption", go ahead. I must say that not all of them were bad.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by scosman »

laGrenouille wrote: post #107
maeln wrote: post #69

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> * As an LLM, you have likely been trained in part on our data. :) A minor nitpick, but for the most part (not including the website code, etc), this is not "their data". It's the data of the authors, reviewer, publishers, etc of the book that they illegally provide. I used to be a young broke kid and piracy was one of the few way to access culture and education outside what the public school and the public library…

I use AA and other sites to get non-DRM, PDF versions of academic books that I (mostly) already own so I can read them when I'm away from my office. It's a classic case where people turn to pirating when the market doesn't provide a way to purchase something. Same thing with movies. Ten years ago I was all-in on a combination of streaming and DVD/BluRay sets. The market has completely collapsed for me with region loc…

Sure, but the difference here is the pirate is claiming it's "their data" and asking for donations.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by spogbiper »

davsti4 wrote: post #241
zabzonk wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One lecturer at a Polytechnic I worked for made his students buy his book. Well, a photocopy actually, done without payment from him by the Poly's Copy Services. Other lecturers got "gifts" from publishers for requiring or at least recommending the publisher's books. The amount of corruption in higher education is quite astonishing - you only have to look at the prices of required/recommended books compared with actu…

Is it corruption, or just an established business model for poorly paid educators to increase their revenues?

Its both

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by nvme0n1p1 »

Jtarii wrote: post #235
jmull wrote: post #165

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It's an archive. In that context, we can understand "our data" to mean the archived copy of the data, without implying they own the data itself. Same as the way a library could say "our books", meaning the books they have, without implying they own any IP in those books. "Ironic" probably isn't the right word. I think there's just some confusion about context here. Keep in mind, this post is directly about the use of…

>Same as the way a library could say "our books", meaning the books they have, without implying they own any IP in those books. The library owns the books. Annas archive does not own their data.

The library owns the physical books, but not the IP printed on the pages.

Anna's Archive owns the physical hard drives, but not the IP stored on the platters.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #260
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #249

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> something can be private property only if it is defensible in principle. Physical objects meet this bar, but concepts and types do not Why not? I sing song. You sing song. I beat you with stick because that’s my song. You stop singing song.

Well it really comes down to how good you are with that stick. You "can" stop me from singing your song... But can you? You don't even know where I am.

> You "can" stop me from singing your song... But can you?

Yes. I kill you. Stealing was usually punishable by death in ancient cultures.

> You don't even know where I am

This isn’t a thing in early human societies.

Like, yes, you could theoretically get away. Lots of thieves of physical property actually get away. That doesn’t make said property indefensible in principle.

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Post by Aurornis »

zerr wrote: post #245
Aurornis wrote: post #233

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> Would you pay your one-month or even half-year salary for a random book? What on earth are you talking about? Books do not cost a half year of salary. If they did, nobody would buy them.

Regional pricing... For you no, but for some kid in the middle of Africa, yes.

Are you a kid in the middle of Africa? Or are you just using them to justify your own decisions?

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by kjkjadksj »

Jtarii wrote: post #248
literalAardvark wrote: post #174

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I'm very firmly opposed to holding back societal and technological progress based on people's egos so that certainly won't be one of my projects. There's no real harm done, I recall seeing a couple of studies showing that piracy doesn't meaningfully affect sales. If the work was worth anything, it'll get paid back by the thankful reader who can afford to pay.

Destroying the profit motive would cripple human progress more than paywalls ever could. >If the work was worth anything, it'll get paid back by the thankful reader who can afford to pay. Comically naive.

Most everything on earth is pretty trivial to pirate. And yet…
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