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Who will buy your services if you fire us all?

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Re: Who will buy your services if you fire us all?

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> The government hands cash to displaced people, who immediately send that money right back to the tech companies to pay for subscriptions, automated food delivery, or digital entertainment. No plausible UBI system gives people so much money than they can relax and order food delivery while they watch all of their entertainment from their paid subscriptions. Funding UBI is extremely hard. We would have to more than d…

Yeah there has been a weird belief here for a long time that if something bad happens to us then extremely generous welfare benefits will materialize. Ask the people who used to work in the auto plants if that's how it goes. No one will get a dime unless they organize and fight for it. Otherwise things are more likely to go in the other direction, what safety net exists now gets reduced.

American voters are way too resistant against any sort of welfare and/or social assistance; UBI will NEVER get approved here.

Even during the great depression FDR was only able to get work for pay programs approved that assigned jobs like Conservation Corps, Public Works and WPA rather than just handing out cash. And to get that passed we needed widespread bank collapses, failed farms, starving people and catastrophic unemployment there was STILL heavy opposition to any/all government assistance programs because there is a very deep fear entrenched in the American psyche that government aid creates dependency and weakens individual responsibility. There is a widespread false narrative that any sort of government help is leftist socialism and communism.

People on HN throw out UBI like a viable option... lol please. We can't even fund social security, SNAP or paid parental leave. UBI is a non-starter.

Re: Who will buy your services if you fire us all?

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post #175

I'm going to say something that triggers people on HN (because it involves creating our own currencies, like berkshares, bristol pounds, etc.) Here goes. Our towns and cities need to create our own money supply, especially to survive the coming depression (Both Keynes and Hayek would agree). The vast majority of our money is currently issued by banks, which have exactly the opposite incentives, they will issue less c…

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Re: Who will buy your services if you fire us all?

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by the time that shows up in corporate earnings the current CEOs will be long gone with their golden parachutes from making their stock price go up

they'll have enough to live the rest of their lives in lux

so why should they care what happens to their former company, or to the plebs

Welch literally destroyed GE and but by then was long gone and laughing his way to the bank; this is just next-level Welch

that's the unfortunate reality

Re: Who will buy your services if you fire us all?

#264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But in this "Elysium"-like scenario, that same class would have automated protection in place that makes them ~untouchable and capable of keeping the rest of humanity incapable of pushing back.

I don't believe this to be true. Sure, for a short period of time they may be "untouchable". Long term, nope. Most of them can't do anything for themselves in terms of real world skills at this point. They are, literally, the most vulnerable without the protection and production of others.

If history is any guide, you're technically correct, but it's no help to the lower classes. Many a divine king, high priest, or emperor has died at the hands of those they depended on. But systemic change is rare. A new despot replaces the old and the cycle continues.

Re: Who will buy your services if you fire us all?

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This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but here goes... The rise of AI does not mean that everyone will lose their jobs and the economy will collapse. That is an utter fallacy. It's important to ask two questions: - What happens to the workers? - What happens to the capital? For the first category, it's obvious. The workers lose their jobs. For the second category, the author and many others are under the presumpt…

maybe lay off the kool-aid for a while, my friend

Re: Who will buy your services if you fire us all?

#266

We’ve seen this before when the mines and factories closed. Some people will be able to reskill find new work and others won’t and will struggle. Entire communities may disappear or fall into poverty.

> reskill find new work

except that no one has been able to articulate what "new work" might emerge

and while yes, this happened before, it happened over decades, and more importantly, the new jobs were created as the old ones were being destroyed

neither of these conditions are happening this time around

so we have not "been there before"

Re: Who will buy your services if you fire us all?

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. AI seems different here, American AI companies doing better seems to result in the rest of the American economy doing better as intelligence is generally productivity increasing. Plus it's not bound by physical scarcity as oil. It feels more like cloud computing or electricity 2. Even if we were to assume an analogy to a petro state, it seems like we as a society can decide if we go the route of Norway or Venezuel…

> generally productivity increasing Are you aware of any reputable study that supports this? Everything I've seen, coding included, has productivity at a net neutral at best, with large cost increases due to LLMs.

https://metr.org/blog/2026-02-24-uplift-update/

This is probably the best one for coding? The two main findings are that developers didn't want to do tasks without AI (implication being that they would find it too tedious) and for the tasks that were measured, there was a speedup (and more of a speedup if you had more experience with AI tools)

Unfortunately "productivity" is very hard to measure directly. I prefer looking at how much money companies are paying Applied AI companies (a lot) because in aggregate, that meant these companies justified ROI vs. OpenAI/Anthropic directly, and sufficiently enough that large enterprises are willing to go through the time and money to spend on a vendor. It's not foolproof but it dampens the effect of companies tokenmaxxing their Codex/Claude Code to look productive.

Re: Who will buy your services if you fire us all?

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Real question: who honestly believes that labor is going away? Throughout history, technologists have promised that increased efficiency will mean that people can work fewer hours—or not at all. But it has never materialized. Not during the Industrial Revolution, not in the 1950s, not during the dawn of the Information Age. What makes us so confident that "this time it's different?"

Horse labor went away is a objectively decent argument

It is not. Horses are chattel, bred by humans for the purposes of serving them. Humans, even the poorest humans, are free creatures and not analogous to horses.

Re: Who will buy your services if you fire us all?

#269

> The government hands cash to displaced people, who immediately send that money right back to the tech companies to pay for subscriptions, automated food delivery, or digital entertainment. No plausible UBI system gives people so much money than they can relax and order food delivery while they watch all of their entertainment from their paid subscriptions. Funding UBI is extremely hard. We would have to more than d…

Forget about UBI, most of us (the current earners) may not see social security, which we've paid into. Social security is a ponzi[1]. If jobs collapse, the inflow into the Ponzi stops, which also stops the outflows.

https://www.hoover.org/research/biggest-ponzi-scheme-earth

Re: Who will buy your services if you fire us all?

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post #246

> The government hands cash to displaced people, who immediately send that money right back to the tech companies to pay for subscriptions, automated food delivery, or digital entertainment. No plausible UBI system gives people so much money than they can relax and order food delivery while they watch all of their entertainment from their paid subscriptions. Funding UBI is extremely hard. We would have to more than d…

A true UBI might be hard to fund today, but it's not inherently hard to fund in principle. Mathematically speaking, any UBI amount (or other expansionary monetary policy) could be offset by an equal and opposite increase in aggregate supply, resulting in more money with net zero inflation. If we had 100x higher annual growth in supply of housing/food/energy/transportation/healthcare/electronics/etc., creating 100x mo…

It probably won't be a straight up cash, but something like what Cuba does: Cuba does not have a Universal Basic Income (UBI). Instead, the Cuban government guarantees basic survival through a socialist welfare system, consisting of state-controlled employment, heavily subsidized utilities, free universal healthcare and education, and a monthly ration book (Libreta de Abastecimiento) for basic food items.

For UBI to work, the precondition is Universal Billionaire Income, so it will look something like this when its implemented: The Secretive Conglomerate That Controls Cuba’s Economy: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/05/16/world/america...

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