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So your solution to fighting against authoritarian regimes is to be rich enough to fuck off to another state/country?
That would be an unfair reframing. The original intent was that erasing their tax revenue weakens the authoritarian regime by draining it of the resources needed for enforcement of unfair laws.
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Why don't you explain what you mean instead of making unsubstantiated claims about what you think I'm ignoring?
I suspect this is the output of an agent and not a human conversing in good faith.
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I haven't had a single person in my life or social media inform me of a single thing I have missed out on since blocking Russia and several other hostile nations with my firewall. I've been doing this for about 15 years. No regrets so far. I understand your philosophy but it doesn't match my reality.
Warty. I doubt you personally are. But unfortunately your country has engaged in a lot of troublesome activities. We can connect through a 3rd party like we are now that's fine with me. I don't hate all Russians or anything like that. I see no reason to directly connect to any Russian Internet infrastructure though.
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#264I'm tired of fighting this stuff. The forces allied against internet freedom are just too large for us regular Hacker News nerds to deal with. What we need is a mass awakening of normal people who see the effects of internet censorship and demand a reversal. And sadly, that might not be possible until the normal people get a taste of censorship to realize they don't like it. So now I think, the sooner we go full Chin…
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#265This is happening simultaneously in many Western countries. It is clearly somehow coordinated. You don't need a tinfoil hat to see the conspiracy. Equally clearly, this is a first step to requiring identity, and ultimately government approval for your activities in the internet. Somehow, we really must reign in the political class, before we truly land in a dystopia.
> It is clearly somehow coordinated Well, yes—parents’ groups are coordinating. Similar to how drunk driving and cigarette rules were passed globally in about a generation. You don’t need reptiles when polling is so strongly against kids on social media.
This chapter explores the defining characteristics of digital authoritarianism as exemplified by countries such as China and Russia, identifying three primary pillars: information control, mass surveillance, and the creation of a fragmented, isolated Internet. Furthermore, this chapter emphasizes that digital authoritarian practices are not confined to authoritarian regimes. Democratic governments and technologically advanced private corporations, especially the dominant tech companies shaping the modern Internet, are also capable of adopting authoritarian tactics.
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> how is anyone expected to tell that I’m accessing a website from a hotel in Berlin instead of my house in California Remote attestation in combination with location access as a start. DPI on TCP/UDP timinings/round trip time measurements for distant locations, combined DNS leak detection to catch bad VPNs. Use browser APIs to detect WiFi vs mobile data to let some 2G users through. IPv6 accessibility checks to catc…
No. That’s how someone with pervasive access to Internet infrastructure could tell when I’m on a VPN. It’s impossible for a given website to tell that I’m accessing it over a VPN. Not difficult: impossible. It cannot be done.
Tools like https://obfusgated.com/tools/vpn-detection-test will use very basic timing tricks to detect VPNs, for instance. Not very reliable, but if you add data points about things like MTU size and WebRTC, and cross-reference that with GeoIP location, you could detect most VPNs. Not without rejecting a small amount of edge cases (Firefox users with JS disabled, weird browsers, and so on), but that's worth the risk if you're held liable for damages if you don't do it.
In practice, nobody really cares. Even Netflix and Disney apply "good enough" VPN detection, mostly by going by IP address, because they don't really care about whether you're using a VPN or not, they just want to make sure they and their shareholders don't allow too much piracy.
With this law, there are significant financial risks, not in an effort to combat a handful of pirates, but because of a "save the children" legal risk. That changes things for website owners.
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> how is anyone expected to tell that I’m accessing a website from a hotel in Berlin instead of my house in California Remote attestation in combination with location access as a start. DPI on TCP/UDP timinings/round trip time measurements for distant locations, combined DNS leak detection to catch bad VPNs. Use browser APIs to detect WiFi vs mobile data to let some 2G users through. IPv6 accessibility checks to catc…
Technical measures while technically existing failed first in China and then in Russia lately, Russian authorities recently all but admitted that they can not block xray+reality-style VPNs (which were and are developed in China to go over their "great firewall") and now talk about a blanket ban on foreign traffic and basically a whitelist for internet. The goal is always a perception of control of public narrative. T…
Laws like these target the website providers. These website providers are in control of infrastructure, they have the private keys, and they don't try to do any transparent monitoring. Browsers and VPNs are very good at protecting communications between you and a third party, but if that third party is trying to spy on you, things change. That's why governments buy data from data brokers: why bother spying on your citizens when they and their computers willingly give a few companies all the information you need.
You can't buy cocaine on the clearnet in most countries. It's not hard to switch to TOR, but only because TOR is legally accepted at the moment. Accessing TOR from China is not all that easy without at least a (government-sanctioned) Hong Kong VPN.
These legal attacks on the free internet won't stop hidden services from hosting porn videos, but they will make it very difficult to make money off of them. MindGeek and friends aren't going to risk illegality by going full dark web and moving their employees to a country that doesn't extradite to the US.
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It's the whole world. I'm sorry to tell this, but everyone will soon realize that the far-fetched conspiracy theories are in fact severly underestimated conspiracy practices. If they still have any remaining gut to face the reality, that is.
Extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence, please...
But that requires the ability to detect the movement of the Overton window over time, though.
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I'm confused where all of this censorship is originating from. What wave of efforts is culminating? I can't really explain this from any movement I can see.
It looks like a coordinated effort from multiple defense companies like meta, and I believe openai, and I think palantir.
Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs
#270This is happening simultaneously in many Western countries. It is clearly somehow coordinated. You don't need a tinfoil hat to see the conspiracy. Equally clearly, this is a first step to requiring identity, and ultimately government approval for your activities in the internet. Somehow, we really must reign in the political class, before we truly land in a dystopia.
> It is clearly somehow coordinated Well, yes—parents’ groups are coordinating. Similar to how drunk driving and cigarette rules were passed globally in about a generation. You don’t need reptiles when polling is so strongly against kids on social media.