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Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by jrumbut »

7jjjjjjj wrote: post #226
jrumbut wrote: post #35

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They have been great for what I use them for, occasion niche discoveries, but I'm not sure they replace Spotify for the "hop in my car and my favorite mainstream hits begin playing without having to think too hard about it" use case.

Isn't that what FM radio is for?

It certainly was, but unfortunately FM radio has gotten pretty awful around me (which I find strange because we are in a fairly densely populated area).

The only thing I listen to on the radio regularly are baseball games.

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Post by vanjajaja1 »

srveale wrote: post #204
techno303 wrote: post #147

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6 tracks have made the Billboard charts. That's a pretty definitive signal that people are listening to AI music. Where to draw the line on what is/isn't AI is a rabbit hole in and of itself. You'd have a hard time convincing me that people aren't using AI to build the most powerful DSP plugins. I've been very pleasantly surprised by how easy it is to make very music-useful tools with Faust and Codex. https://www.bil…

How many tracks didn't make it to the Billboard charts?

we're measuring if people are listening to AI music, not what percentage of AI music is slop

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Post by userbinator »

troosevelt wrote: post #249
torben-friis wrote: post #247

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Suppose I ask my tattoo artist for a dragon. Would you agree that I created the tattoo? If not, why then would asking the AI qualify as creation?

There is absolutely some form of creation there. The most basic models now are just prompts but somebody has to prompt them, there is a human being there prompting the song and then deciding to share it (a form of curation). I'd imagine these will get more and more granular to where you're not just prompting but you are gradually building up songs and at that point I'd be surprised if people were still making this ar…

to where you're not just prompting but you are gradually building up songs

There's indeed a huge difference between asking the AI to just generate something with a short and generic prompt, and directing it far more specifically. To use the dragon tattoo analogy, it's the difference between asking for "a dragon tattoo" and precisely specifying exactly what type of dragon, what pose, colours, any other adornments, etc.

An example of the latter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_e8bQ6i43o

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Post by jameslk »

vintermann wrote: post #191
jameslk wrote: post #140

I might be in the minority, but I think this anti-AI sentiment is going to be generational. The next AI-native generation to grow up creating AI music, photos, videos, literature, code, etc will think it's silly why the older generation is so appalled at what they created and resistant to using AI to do it I'm not placing a value judgement either way, but I do think there will be a divide in the ways things are done…

It's not that simple, I think. Music, literature, even photos and software sometimes, are interesting for their context - someone made them, for you, and they wanted to tell you something. They're interesting because we care about the person on the other end. But if there is no person on the other end, why should I care? We can argue about this if you want. Long chain of comments back and forth. But ask yourself, if…

This may seem like a foreign thing to you and I, having AI do all the work we normally do. The work is a fraction of what we used to do, so in no way is it authentic or worth our time

Now imagine you grew up using AI to make things. Your earliest memories were using AI to make funny songs, cool videos. All your friends and peers use AI to make things. In fact, most everyone uses AI to create anything. It's a fundamental part of everyday life

I doubt anyone who grows up using AI would really even think twice about it. AI is just... how you do it

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Post by FireBeyond »

senko wrote: post #98
kotaKat wrote: post #13

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That's every move Spotify has done recently. Podcasts, audiobooks, AI music, and now an entire fitness hub - they really don't want to pay actual artists anything for their music while jacking up prices for everyone else. (Oh, and sitting back and crying "app fairness" for quite some time, but it's odd that they haven't been complaining about Apple in a hot minute in the DSA fight yet still won't ship long overdue su…

You're right on what they're doing, but not the why: 1. They're getting the short end of the deal with music licensing (as are artists, btw) 2. They can't pay the artists more: the vast majority of the money goes to labels 3. The only way Spotify can grow profits if it moves to content that's not under the iron grip of the labels: podcasts, audiobooks, etc. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47783435

And yet somehow TIDAL is able to between three and four times the royalties per stream that Spotify does.

Maybe Spotify could pay Joe Rogan a little less than a quarter billion dollars for a couple of years of podcasts.

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Post by sevenzero »

cybercatgurrl wrote: post #253
sevenzero wrote: post #190

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Anti AI sentiment regarding arts is the only correct sentiment. Art is about human expression which AI can never achieve.

incorrect. AI is a tool like any tool. it can be used as part of the workflow for anyone serious about their craft and anyone serious about their craft will put a lot of effort into and that is the only metric that matters

Nah using AI is simply stealing and going the lazy route. Fuck off.

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Post by slyall »

RiverCrochet wrote: post #186
neonstatic wrote: post #50

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Realistically speaking, why is that a problem? What is the point of music if not enjoyment? If these people enjoy it, what's wrong with it?

You hear a song with vocals that strongly emotionally resonate with you, reminding you of your mother who passed away recently after a long terrible illness. You want to know more about the singer that almost brought you to tears, only to find there is none and that the song was AI generated.

But if you did the exercise 10 years ago you'd find the lyrics were originally about the songwriter's daughter and the band tweaked it to be able the the band manager's hypochondriac ex boyfriend.

Then they hired a session singer to sing it and mixed in several takes and then adjusted the sound with various tools to produce just the right sound. Plus the Chorus was actually from some country song from 1972 that had been completely changed

and the actual "band" is actually just two guys who hire session players to do most of the music while they handle the keyboard and mixing

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Post by mathgladiator »

mjr00 wrote: post #20
reconnecting wrote: post #12

The more appropriate question is why they published a AI artist at all. I think Spotify (or its owners/investors) might actually benefit from recommending AI-generated music by not having to pay real artists. Like Spotify owns distribution, their largest investor Tencent Music Entertainment Group publishes AI-generated music = almost infinite profit. From news: Tencent Music demonstrated strong revenue (1) growth in…

> The more appropriate question is why they published a AI artist at all. Because they allow anyone to upload to Spotify. There's nothing stopping me, you, or anyone from generating AI tracks with Suno & friends, downloading them, and using a service like LANDR or Amuse to distribute them to Spotify, all for free. > Like Spotify owns distribution, their largest investor Tencent Music Entertainment Group publishes AI-…

I basically only listen to AI music now...

https://www.youtube.com/@EndlessTaverns

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Post by Dylan16807 »

neonstatic wrote: post #201
RiverCrochet wrote: post #186

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You hear a song with vocals that strongly emotionally resonate with you, reminding you of your mother who passed away recently after a long terrible illness. You want to know more about the singer that almost brought you to tears, only to find there is none and that the song was AI generated.

So it does something good for you, then you decide to put a label on it due to how it was made. You are letting your mind overwrite a genuine response you had based on an opinion that "it should not feel good because it's AI made". As I said in another comment - intelectualization.

> you decide to put a label on it due to how it was made

That is not what they said. This reads like you're replying to a previous post and ignoring the actual explanation they gave.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

threepts wrote: post #160
Barrin92 wrote: post #151

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It is dumb and tasteless and nobody's being maimed for pointing that out, it's DFW's Infinite Jest made real. The psychedelics and shrooms analogy is very appropriate, because it gave us a generation of escapist idiots who fried their brains and retreated into their own fantasies. Instead of going out, producing, debating and collectively making art. Who are you not to judge? It should be judged, it's narcissistic an…

Do not agree with what you say at all. some people are usually afraid of going out because people like you label them narcissistic and solipsistic so they stick to LLMs.

"I do X because people judge me for doing X" is always a stupid argument.
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