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Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by bigfatkitten »

consp wrote: post #250
bri3d wrote: post #33

> limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle: ... over-the-air updates, which provide new ... safety enhancements ... I wonder what happens if you disable the e-SIM (in the US) and then a safety recall appears via software update - do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA? This is a huge unresolved issue with EVs IMO; ICE cars are required to provide emissions-relevant updates over sof…

My experience is J2534 support is sketchy and if you want to do the things you actually want to do you need a manufacturer approved device with an insane markup. Also the subscriptions are insanely expensive, not even close to reasonable and you need to be a company (at least you used to be with Ford last time I checked, but they accept the UK or Dutch royal residence as a valid company location so there is that...)

> at least you used to be with Ford last time I checked

Certainly not any time in the last 15 years that I’ve been buying IDS/FDRS and service manual access.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by poochkoishi728 »

foresto wrote: post #144
bri3d wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Rivian's OBD-II port actually hides an Ethernet signal inside of it - so the interface is certainly there. Nice. This is really normal now, for what it's worth - all of the European makes have moved this direction as well (DoIP over ENET). There's shockingly little documentation about Rivian online, though, probably because emissions regulation doesn't mandate it.

For those unfamiliar with DoIP: https://automotivevehicletesting.com/vehicle-diagnostics/doi... https://www.iso.org/standard/13400-2

The first link leads malicious ads/malware. On iphone says viruses detected pretending to be apple/google

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

janice1999 wrote: post #7

Disabling internet connectivity disables lane keeping assistance. I wonder if this is a dark pattern to punish users who opt out or because they feel they need reports of crashes ahead to do it safely.

> Disabling internet connectivity disables lane keeping assistance

Good. Lane Keeping Assist should be illegal.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

subscribed wrote: post #148
Steeeve wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a lot of trouble driving your car inside the lanes?

LOL, is this really your only thought? Did you also disable ABS and refuse to use smart cruise control?

Why do you think lane keeping assist is useful?

Why do you think smart cruise control is useful?

I can't tell if ABS is useful or not. My car has it but I've never used it.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

Terr_ wrote: post #24
happyopossum wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They need to keep lane availability up to date - lanes get closed for repair or realignment sometimes and it’d suck to rear-end an 18 ton grader because you don’t have current DOT info…

Anybody relying on lane-keeping assistance to prevent from slamming into the back of big yellow construction vehicle is doing it wrong, and we should be thankful they didn't hit something else with more victims.

The problem is that the lane keeping assist freaks out quite often and will steer you into obstacles that are in your lane.

I will say though the the new version of the Kia Niro EVs we have is a lot better in that regard - it just kind of gently nudges the steering, it feels more like the car is tramlining a bit. The older versions we had at work would actively try to steer you into other vehicles.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

__fst__ wrote: post #176

Are there any electric cars that don't need internet connectivity via wifi/esim at all? I'm looking for something really simple. A chassis, four wheels, an engine, airbags. Basically my current ICE car, just electric.

What's your current ICE car? If it's a fairly simple front wheel drive platform you can probably transplant the battery and traction pack from a Nissan Leaf or similar into it.

Incidentally if you can get enough cold water into it you can get around 150bhp out of a first-gen Nissan Leaf motor for a few seconds, which is really all you're going to need.

There's a guy in the south of England who makes tubular steel spaceframe chassis replacements for VW Beetles, that are compatible with most kit car bodies. Instead of taking a hard-to-get Beetle engine and gearbox they take an MGF engine and gearbox, but I bet you could cram your Leaf motors and batteries in. There you go, now you're running around town in a ridiculously quick electric beach buggy. How cool is that?

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by atoav »

Aside from this you may also consider that newer cars are sending out unencrypted but digitally signed data via ITS (in Europe) or DSRC/C-V2X (USA) that potentially anybody with an antenna can collect.

That includes positional data, speed, whether you're pressing the gas pedal or braking etc. Since it is meant as a Car-to-Car solution, e.g. to warn other cars when there is an accident the reach isn't great, but some of the signals (e.g. warning of a traffic jam) may be propagated by other cars.

See this German talk on the European system: https://media.ccc.de/v/glt26-688-c-its-mit-einem-esp32-ampel...

I think they have a English translation or dub somewhere

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by jjav »

tjohns wrote: post #52
bri3d wrote: post #33

> limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle: ... over-the-air updates, which provide new ... safety enhancements ... I wonder what happens if you disable the e-SIM (in the US) and then a safety recall appears via software update - do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA? This is a huge unresolved issue with EVs IMO; ICE cars are required to provide emissions-relevant updates over sof…

> I wonder what happens if you disable the e-SIM (in the US) and then a safety recall appears via software update - do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA? I would assume so. Even on older cars, service techs can typically manually push firmware updates over the OBD-II / J2534 port. Rivian's OBD-II port actually hides an Ethernet signal inside of it - so the interface is certainly there. Fun fa…

> Even on older cars, service techs can typically manually push firmware updates

Older cars have no concept of such updates.

Happy with my 70s and 80s and early 90s cars.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by b3lvedere »

Svoka wrote: post #238
LocalH wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're okay with every single company being able to track you, build a profile to you, and sell that profile to the highest bidder, while you get nothing remotely comparable in value?

I feel like I am getting access to lots of products in part shaped by my data. It is not like I have better things to do with it.

No worries that processed data might profile you in a bad way in the forseeable future?
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