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Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by nathan_compton »

AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #239
antics9 wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You haven’t had children growing up during the last two decades have you?

If it was organic the wording and the definitions in these legislations would be wildly different, the timing would be all over the place, the age limits and the methods to provide ID as well. But they are not. edited for tone

Yes, people in government famously don't know anyone else in government anywhere else and never communicate with one another or read the same research or look at what other countries are doing.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by lovelearning »

ben_w wrote: post #235
sunaookami wrote: post #129

This sudden coordinated worldwide effort to ban social media for kids (hint: it's not because of the kids) needs to stop, it's dangerous and people need to stop being so naive and stop supporting this.

> (hint: it's not because of the kids) needs to stop, it's dangerous and people need to stop being so naive and stop supporting this. It's partly because of the kids. It's also because social media is part of the USA's soft power projection, and many of us now consider this to be a threat. It's also because social media has a long history of manipulation for their own gain, against the users' interests, dark patterns…

I find the coordination between nations suspicious.

But what you said - "It's also because social media is part of the USA's soft power projection, and many of us now consider this to be a threat." - strikes me as the most plausible driver behind it, given how chummy Trump and the techbros have become.

I agree with your other observations about SM. But they've all been true from many years. That's why this sudden urge by culturally diverse societies to act now feels suspicious, to me at least.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by gslepak »

austin-cheney wrote: post #249
AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it was organic the wording and the definitions in these legislations would be wildly different, the timing would be all over the place, the age limits and the methods to provide ID as well. But they are not. edited for tone

Correlation does not imply causation. Your invented and evidence-less conspiracy theory is an insult to intelligence. I suspect you are seeing something that isn't there to account for an unspoken bias front and center in your mind.

People use the word "conspiracy theory" as a shield against their own ignorance.

"If I don't know about it, if it sounds 'spooky' to me, it must be because it's a conspiracy theory, and therefore it is wrong," is essentially what runs through their minds.

The reality is that top-down legislation is the norm rather than the exception, and there is plenty of evidence. It's not written by Joe on the street. It's not organic. It is top-down and imposed. This is what @kdheiwns rightly observes here, and in other fields like how all of a sudden every car manufacturer just up and decided simultaneously that it was a good thing to install spyware into all of their cars.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by asdfman123 »

slg wrote: post #258
kdheiwns wrote: post #229

We can't even get countries to agree on a unified drinking age, but somehow the whole world is simultaneously coming to the conclusion that you need to be 16 to use social media, and websites and operating systems all need North Korean ID verification to prove you're over 16. There is a zero percent chance this is organic

People have been drinking alcohol since time immemorial. Our laws need to overcome those longstanding cultural standards that vary greatly across the globe and therefore laws will be different too. It varies by country, but I would guess most political leaders didn't grow up in the era of social media, so there isn't some ingrained belief that kids actually need this stuff. And with growing globalization, it makes pe…

We didn't need social media before it existed. If no one's on it, that sounds like the ideal situation for young kids.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by ben_w »

joe_mamba wrote: post #234
antics9 wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You haven’t had children growing up during the last two decades have you?

In my current EU country, there's mandatory military conscription from the age of 17. And you're telling me you're only fit for social media access one year before being fit to drive tanks and shoot guns at people? Look, I hate (Zuckerberg's) social media just as much as the next person and I would be happy if it were nuked from this planet, but firstly, a lot of this sudden age verification shit to "protect the chil…

> In my current EU country, there's mandatory military conscription from the age of 17. And you're telling me you're only fit for social media access one year before being fit to drive tanks and shoot guns at people?

FWIW, in the UK you can learn to drive a tank one year before you're allowed to learn to drive a car. Not go into combat, that's another year, I just mean the learning to drive part.

Back when I myself was that age, I also got a letter published in a national newspaper pointing out the oddity that I was allowed to have sex two years before being allowed to look at photos of other people doing so. Since then, cheap cameras would also make it pertinent (though it was true even back then), that I could not have taken photos of myself performing acts I was allowed to perform.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by AnonymousPlanet »

nathan_compton wrote: post #261
AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it was organic the wording and the definitions in these legislations would be wildly different, the timing would be all over the place, the age limits and the methods to provide ID as well. But they are not. edited for tone

Yes, people in government famously don't know anyone else in government anywhere else and never communicate with one another or read the same research or look at what other countries are doing.

Is there a precedent where this happened organically and the same similarities were in place in that many legislations around the world inside of half a year?

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by braiamp »

pembrook wrote: post #238
braiamp wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, educating customers doesn't work. What works is creating safe products. Remove algorithm recommendations as the default option, make collecting personal individual data for any purpose other than what the customer explicitly wants, and you will see that suddenly "social networks" and every other product becomes safe to use for everyone.

If you're upset at collecting personal individual data, you're really going to love what these social media bans require in practice. I don't disagree we need to look at algorithmic recommendations as a major issue, but these social media bans are not that. The fact they are all being brought about globally at the same time suggests some ulterior motives. Fundamentally, the idea you're going to hide your kid from soc…

> If you're upset at collecting personal individual data, you're really going to love what these social media bans require in practice

Which is why is also not a solution. Both are bad solutions because we drag our feet into creating safe products for everyone.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by slg »

gslepak wrote: post #263
austin-cheney wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correlation does not imply causation. Your invented and evidence-less conspiracy theory is an insult to intelligence. I suspect you are seeing something that isn't there to account for an unspoken bias front and center in your mind.

People use the word "conspiracy theory" as a shield against their own ignorance. "If I don't know about it, if it sounds 'spooky' to me, it must be because it's a conspiracy theory, and therefore it is wrong," is essentially what runs through their minds. The reality is that top-down legislation is the norm rather than the exception, and there is plenty of evidence. It's not written by Joe on the street. It's not org…

Who do you think is behind this? That is the question no one is answering here and why people are calling it a conspiracy theory.

And the car manufacturers all decided to install spyware because it made them money. That's just capitalism.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by joe_mamba »

ben_w wrote: post #265
joe_mamba wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my current EU country, there's mandatory military conscription from the age of 17. And you're telling me you're only fit for social media access one year before being fit to drive tanks and shoot guns at people? Look, I hate (Zuckerberg's) social media just as much as the next person and I would be happy if it were nuked from this planet, but firstly, a lot of this sudden age verification shit to "protect the chil…

> In my current EU country, there's mandatory military conscription from the age of 17. And you're telling me you're only fit for social media access one year before being fit to drive tanks and shoot guns at people? FWIW, in the UK you can learn to drive a tank one year before you're allowed to learn to drive a car. Not go into combat, that's another year, I just mean the learning to drive part. Back when I myself w…

Yeah, my thoughts exactly.

What's with this double standards of you're adult enough to drive tanks and die in a war, but not adult enough to watch porn and drink alcohol? Pick a lane government regulators.

Either you're and adult and should be treated as one with full rights and responsibilities, or you're not and then shouldn't be drafted and be allowed to do anything major with your life like drink, gamble, and sign loans that will put you in debt for the next 30 years.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by traderj0e »

AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #239
antics9 wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You haven’t had children growing up during the last two decades have you?

If it was organic the wording and the definitions in these legislations would be wildly different, the timing would be all over the place, the age limits and the methods to provide ID as well. But they are not. edited for tone

You've got a point, but why so rude?
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