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Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Post by Jamesbeam »

sandmn wrote: post #258
Jamesbeam wrote: post #136

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Not being pro-Putin doesn’t really matter to Putin. If he tells Durov to sit and be a good dog, Durov will sit and be a good dog. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Kk7kobMQY

Unlikely the case, Telegram is the app that Russian government is most focused on blocking right now, it's almost impossible to use without proxy or VPN. Not saying Durov is perfect but video you linked is about guy who has all his assets in Russia while Durov has none.

Follow the money. Not the person.

https://curia.europa.eu/site/upload/docs/application/pdf/202...

https://www.ft.com/content/36a37387-cb71-4851-a56f-de2571d52...

Also, I disagree with Durov having no assets in Putin’s direct reach.

https://istories.media/en/news/2024/08/27/pavel-durov-has-vi...

The man looks on photos like he genuinely loves his long-term girlfriend and the three kids he has with her. Kids are stupid tho. They climb on everything and fall out of windows frequently.

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Post by DANmode »

antonvs wrote: post #254
rrvsh wrote: post #225

Frankly insane and speaks to the entitlement of many users that they are against Micay and GOS on this primarily because their online comms are abrasive; I'm used to this having seen the same from many in the Minecraft and Skyrim mods communities, but it still stands saying: You are not owed ANYTHING from a free software developer. They can say anything they want to you and revoke the software at any point or anythin…

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Good projects follow their mission statement.

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Post by DANmode »

mapotofu wrote: post #256

It seems very plausible to me that there is a vested interest in seeding drama and chaos into the reputation of GOS. Why wouldn’t there be? Especially when it seems there’s an easy way to trigger Micay, and there are cottage industries online specializing in exactly this sort of thing. I get the sense a lot of people care about this project and care about defending it but good luck against the propaganda and bullshit…

All it takes is comments like this!

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Post by microtonal »

busterarm wrote: post #185
HybridStatAnim8 wrote: post #170

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GrapheneOSs posts are made to combat misinformation. Drawing public attention from those who may be misled and put at risk is how one combats misinfo. Its not ranting and its not somehow unreasonable to defend oneself.

Your entire comment history on HN exists across two separate posts about GrapheneOS. You're not a community member, you're an astroturfer.

Ehm,

Astroturfing is the deceptive practice of hiding the sponsors of an orchestrated message or organization to make it appear as though it originates from, and is supported by, unsolicited grassroots participants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

They are pretty much the opposite of an astroturfer, they mentioned several times in the comments that they are an active supporter/community member of GrapheneOS. So, they are not hiding and they are grassroots participants.

Please avoid personal attacks on HN, even more so when they are incorrect.

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Post by fph »

HybridStatAnim8 wrote: post #209
fph wrote: post #194

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How far down do you have to scroll on https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS to find a citation to a source for one of their claims?

At the time of writing, I scrolled 4 posts down and found one. GrapheneOS are security researchers, so they often are a first party source. As for the attacks, they have plenty of evidence for their claims. They avoid giving any attacks more publicity, but they usually provide evidence if you ask.

Please provide a link to this post you found, so I can tell which one you think is a citation to a source. If you want some examples of recent posts that should have a source but don't, here they are:

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116442796907613215

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116442754144530576

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116439834987996043

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116439798112845463

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116439747793648606

(the linked post in Mastodon is the one displayed with a bigger font, not necessarily the first at the top of the page.)

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Post by jasonvorhe »

Cortex5936 wrote: post #14

I love GrapheneOS and I use it daily for more than 2 years. However, and as Louis Rossmann pointed out in one of his videos, they really need to work on the "defensiveness" and "rants" of their communication. Even when they are 99% right most of the time, they sometimes don't come as mature and professional.

I don't care about messaging or professionalism in marketing. I'm perfectly happy with the way GrapheneOS is being managed right now, including their lengthy technical rebuttals to any attempts of attacking the project to dilute its quality or reach.

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Post by akimbostrawman »

HybridStatAnim8 wrote: post #210
akimbostrawman wrote: post #200

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Rossmann made a thread on Kiwi Farms because Kiwi Farms members support him, and they support harassing his targets. Rossmann has an account on Kiwi Farms for the purpose of engaging with his supporters on the site. He acts friendly with them and they choose to actively support him. Rossmanns thread on the site is in support of him, not a harassment thread against him.

>Rossmann has an account on Kiwi Farms for the purpose of engaging with his supporters on the site. He acts friendly with them and they choose to actively support him

Once again. Okay and? Kiwifarms is a legal site in the us. He is engaging in no harassment or doxxing of anyone just talking to people that talk about him. Does micay talking on twitter with other people mean he supports musk or anything else anybody does on the platform?

If all your points are just "guilt by association" then just say that.

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Post by DANmode »

1attice wrote: post #96
ryandrake wrote: post #59

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> They do one thing: make as secure a phone OS as they can. That’s it. If you’re expecting them to do anything in a friendly way, it ain’t gonna happen, that’s not who they are or what they do. These things are not mutually exclusive: You can make a great technical product while being friendly. You can make a great technical product while not being friendly. You can make a compromised or flawed technical product whil…

Actually, you can't make a great product if you've alienated your allies, because all successes are intrinsically social, from the iPhone to Python to even the processor itself. Going it alone is that nineties libertarian romanticism, a persistent self-destructive tendency that in present market conditions is unsustainable

What allies?

Their allies seem securely in place.

Their popularity and project support have never been stronger…

and they’re partnering with a (popular!) hardware manufacturer.

https://motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions-at...

Respectfully, what are you talking about?

Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Post by ForHackernews »

HybridStatAnim8 wrote: post #163
neilv wrote: post #107

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My gut feel is that Micay is genuine, and obviously also very defensive. At least some of the defensiveness is warranted. Maybe most of it. Regardless, it comes across in most GrapheneOS communications, and it's sometimes counterproductive. A related issue, which I'm sure Micay can appreciate, is that users of GrapheneOS tend to be cautious, and increasingly will want to know why the project should be trusted, now th…

All of the defensiveness is warranted. They speak neutrally and objectively. The project is not going to relinquish control to any 3rd party. Not even the Motorola partnership is given control over the GOS project. The hypothetical you describe is not possible by design. The GOS project takes no issue with critical thinking, and encourages it. But that is often used as an excuse to handwave attacks. There is a very b…

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Re: Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker

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Post by spring-onion »

Avamander wrote: post #244
spring-onion wrote: post #213

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Hey! On a quick introductory note, I'm the community manager and the person who was interviewed. Please, read questions 17, 25 and 26 and our respective answers to them in the linked forum thread. In particular the following parts that I'm pasting here for convenience: Question 17: Did your and Donaldson values begin to diverge? Was Donaldson more concerned with making money than you were? Answer: [...] In 2018, matt…

Raytheon literally asked for the signing keys of CopperheadOS? After all this vagueposting around it, I find that hard to believe. Or is it just that Raytheon went against what he thought CopperheadOS stood for?

As part of a contract which Donaldson wanted to pursue, evidently at any cost.
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