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At long last, InfoWars is ours

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Re: At long last, InfoWars is ours

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Post by mghackerlady »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #99

Worth highlighting: > “The goal for the families we represent has always been to prevent Alex Jones from being able to cause harm at scale, the way he did against them,” said Chris Mattei, the lawyer who argued the Connecticut families’ case in court. The deal with The Onion promises “to significantly degrade his power to do that.” > The Onion also plans to sell merchandise and share the proceeds with the Sandy Hook…

I reallyyyyy want a gay frogs t-shirt, I would wear the hell out of that. That entire rant and meme it spawned is the only good thing to come out of that man

Re: At long last, InfoWars is ours

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Post by kypro »

watwut wrote: post #247
kypro wrote: post #229

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If you actually cared one about about victims, you would not be putting on "it is just about fuzzy feelings" bullshit on. Also, this is the kind of case where USA allows Alex Jones kind of bad actors a lot more leeway then most of world countries.

> If you actually cared one about about victims, you would not be putting on "it is just about fuzzy feelings" bullshit on.

Ad hominem. Personally I think Alex Jones deserves far worse than this judgement.

> Also, this is the kind of case where USA allows Alex Jones kind of bad actors a lot more leeway then most of world countries.

Not an argument. I'm from the UK, I understand other countries police feelings more aggressively. That isn't justification.

My opinion on this is strictly in regards to what I feel is appropriate punishment from the government given what Jones did. I don't like the idea that you can be fined by the government for lying (even if those lies hurt peoples feelings). I could accept it if the fine was reasonable, but $1b isn't reasonable in my opinion.

We can disagree on these things without being mean to each other =) I appreciate your view. I guess I just disagree.

Re: At long last, InfoWars is ours

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Post by kypro »

bena wrote: post #200
kypro wrote: post #182

Please can someone correct my opinion on this because I'm sure I'm missing something. I find it crazy that in the US you can't take an opinion on something without risking being bankrupted because that thing you said is later proven untrue and that it hurt someone's feelings – feeling which in the US have a monetary value of billions apparently. I agree that the media should be evidence based and it's bad when the me…

An opinion would be something like "I think it's good that those kids were shot". You could say that all day and people would not like you, but no one could do anything about it. What Alex Jones did was deny reality. He suggested that the victims did not exist. He suggested the event did not happen and the grieving parents were government-hired actors. He riled up his listeners and effectively sent them after people.…

> What Alex Jones did was deny reality. He suggested that the victims did not exist. He suggested the event did not happen and the grieving parents were government-hired actors. He riled up his listeners and effectively sent them after people. He did this in spite of knowing what he was saying on his show was not true. That was a large part of things, that Alex Jones was aware he was spreading misinformation.

> Let's not pretend Alex Jones was doing was voicing a "difference of opinion".

I agree. I'm disagreeing purely on whether $1 billion is a reasonable fine for deliberately lying. Not on whether he is guilty.

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Post by bcrosby95 »

like_any_other wrote: post #181
bot403 wrote: post #148

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They are indeed cringe worthy. Even my four year old cries when his spoon is the wrong kind of spoon. This does not make him spoon-phobic. It means he is a kid who has no control of his emotions. A baby has even less understanding. Everyone who is debating the homophobia of the baby is projecting.

I believe they call it "humour".

Unfortunately many people are humourphobic.

Re: At long last, InfoWars is ours

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Post by traderj0e »

kube-system wrote: post #255
traderj0e wrote: post #252

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Alex Jones' entire livelihood relies on making these bogus claims and maintaining his following, so I'm not surprised he was able to keep it up. He's also the most famous internet conspiracy theorist among countless others, so yeah I would chalk it up to acting talent.

Everybody's livelihood relies on the thing they do for a living. That's doesn't mean we're all lying. People with fringe views do actually exist, they aren't all actors.

Most jobs are honest enough, but there are plenty of dishonest ones that people do for the money and not because they think it's right.

I'll bet those people I mentioned who post videos like Alex Jones and only get 10 views, some of them believe it. But they're dull and aren't making money off it. Also plenty of people have a few fringe views and theories, but they aren't claiming something far-fetched every time something happens.

Re: At long last, InfoWars is ours

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Post by booleandilemma »

kypro wrote: post #182

Please can someone correct my opinion on this because I'm sure I'm missing something. I find it crazy that in the US you can't take an opinion on something without risking being bankrupted because that thing you said is later proven untrue and that it hurt someone's feelings – feeling which in the US have a monetary value of billions apparently. I agree that the media should be evidence based and it's bad when the me…

I think with Alex Jones in particular it's that people knew he had money, and so they wanted a piece of it. If you're a nobody and you say false things no one cares really. Look at all the randos on X spouting nonsense without repercussions. It didn't help that these people in power don't like him.

It's dangerous to say false things and have a lot of money. People in power will use it as an excuse to take your money away, unless you're allied with them, of course.

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Post by traderj0e »

kube-system wrote: post #260
traderj0e wrote: post #246

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Yeah, especially because he contradicted himself several times, it doesn't seem like he believed it. He's really committed to trolling.

Saying two different things at two different times is not prima face evidence of lying. For instance: changing your mind is not lying. Again, I find it ironic that you're using the same conspiratorial line of thinking that Jones himself does: e.g. "The CDC has changed their mask guidance so they must be lying about it"

It was convenient timing for him to call the shootings "100% real" the moment he ended up in court for it.

Re: At long last, InfoWars is ours

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Post by kube-system »

traderj0e wrote: post #266
kube-system wrote: post #255

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Everybody's livelihood relies on the thing they do for a living. That's doesn't mean we're all lying. People with fringe views do actually exist, they aren't all actors.

Most jobs are honest enough, but there are plenty of dishonest ones that people do for the money and not because they think it's right. I'll bet those people I mentioned who post videos like Alex Jones and only get 10 views, some of them believe it. But they're dull and aren't making money off it. Also plenty of people have a few fringe views and theories, but they aren't claiming something far-fetched every time som…

Being successful and wrong doesn't make someone a liar. History books are full of people who were earnestly wrong. There's no way this guy spent 30 years playing a character without once slipping up in any aspect of his personal or professional life. He is not a savant method actor. He's a conspiracy theorist.
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